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Garion_55

(1,915 posts)
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:12 PM Aug 2018

Poll... if America adopted a Universal Health Care system,

Would right-wingers and conservatives refuse to use it because it is socialism?


A) yes. They are principled and would refuse to go against their values and would rather stay sick and die



B) no. Right-wingers only hate single-payer because that's what they are told to do by their leaders. But if they were given that option, of course they would use it and love it because they are gigantic hypocrites.




I'm thinking B

#MAGits

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Poll... if America adopted a Universal Health Care system, (Original Post) Garion_55 Aug 2018 OP
Oh, they'd resist for a while but would come around. Laffy Kat Aug 2018 #1
B BigmanPigman Aug 2018 #2
No. Used to work for a state Medicaid agency. When white wingers were in a position to need Hoyt Aug 2018 #3
I totally believe your scenario, Hoyt Ohiogal Aug 2018 #8
of course NewJeffCT Aug 2018 #20
B - without a doubt! ElementaryPenguin Aug 2018 #4
B definitely ladym55 Aug 2018 #5
Just like they refuse social security and Medicare. Crunchy Frog Aug 2018 #6
B liberal N proud Aug 2018 #7
B. democratisphere Aug 2018 #9
The Kochs just released a study that shanny Aug 2018 #10
The US continues to run massive deficits and accumulating democratisphere Aug 2018 #14
We run deficits because we refuse to tax the rich shanny Aug 2018 #18
Ayn Rand actually answered that question marylandblue Aug 2018 #11
Ayn Rand was a Russian tool. Meadowoak Aug 2018 #17
please, please, I hope they call it Universal Health Care Insurance demigoddess Aug 2018 #12
As Crunchy Frog said. PoindexterOglethorpe Aug 2018 #13
"B", because they're hypocrites. n/t area51 Aug 2018 #15
Republicans would be the first ones to sign up for it, they would feel entitled, being white and all Meadowoak Aug 2018 #16
Sure just like they gave up Medicare. I remember the original protests during Nanjeanne Aug 2018 #19
They'd love it, but not give credit Bradical79 Aug 2018 #21
Do all those socialism hating red hat Russia lovers turn down Social Security and Medicare? workinclasszero Aug 2018 #22

Laffy Kat

(16,384 posts)
1. Oh, they'd resist for a while but would come around.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:18 PM
Aug 2018

As soon as they realized the benefits. Either that, or the resistant ones would die-off. Good riddance.

BigmanPigman

(51,614 posts)
2. B
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:19 PM
Aug 2018

Half of the GOP voters didn't even know that "Obamacare" was the ACA until the govt was ready to take it away from them. Once you give people something they like it is hard to take it back. Voters in both parties like affordable health care and those who are using it as a campaign issue are winning.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. No. Used to work for a state Medicaid agency. When white wingers were in a position to need
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:24 PM
Aug 2018

Medicaid, usually really sick and essentially destitute after spending what they had on treatment, they were suddenly “entitled to it,” but often threw in “not like those other people.” Always wanted to stamp their application “Denied,” but didn’t.

I’m sure some stoics just died or suffered.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
20. of course
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:52 AM
Aug 2018

their use of government benefits like Medicare, Medicaid, SS or Unemployment is legitimate. Those brown and black people using it are unAmerican freeloaders abusing the system.

Just like their teen niece's or daughter's abortion was justified, but every other abortion is an abomination.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
5. B definitely
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 10:30 PM
Aug 2018

I think of my right-wing mother and aunt and how eagerly they used their Medicare. That form of socialized medicine was just FINE with them.

Right wingers will always rationalize that THEY are entitled to benefits ... unlike THOSE other people ...

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
9. B.
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:04 PM
Aug 2018

Until the entire cost of the American Criminal Enterprise Healthcare System is reset and drastically reduced, single payer will never happen because it is not affordable at the current and ever rising rates.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
10. The Kochs just released a study that
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:16 PM
Aug 2018

showed Medicare-for-all would cost 32 TRILLION $ over the next 10 years. Scary, right? Un-doable.

It was helpfully pointed out that that meant saving 2 TRILLION $ over the current system, while covering 30 million more people.

The richest country in the world can do this, no problem.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
14. The US continues to run massive deficits and accumulating
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 02:31 AM
Aug 2018

more debt. Respectfully I hugely disagree with you; healthcare for all, at the current insane price gouging rates, is absolutely not affordable or doable. Second, why should a country providing some of the worst documented quality of healthcare in the world be rewarded with the current unaffordable rates?! It is beyond a disgrace.

 

shanny

(6,709 posts)
18. We run deficits because we refuse to tax the rich
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:17 AM
Aug 2018

while simultaneously refusing to use the bargaining power to, say, negotiate lower prices for drugs or hospitalizations or whatever. We also continually spend an obscene amount on a Defense department that cannot win a war and is seemingly uninterested in cyberwar. We even give them--without a debate!--billions more than they ask for.

It is about priorities. We can protect the interests of businesses and the rich, or we can protect the interests of our citizens. Vote for your preference.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
11. Ayn Rand actually answered that question
Sun Aug 5, 2018, 11:19 PM
Aug 2018

In typical Rand fashion, it makes no sense at all. So basically, it's only moral to take public assistance if you don't believe in it.

Public assistance comes from tax money. Tax money is a form of theft. If you don't believe taxes are theft and therefore you are entitled to benefit from it, you are immoral. But if you do not believe in taxation you recognize that it is theft, and any benefit you receive back is actually restitution for the original theft. Since it is okay to accept restitution of stolen money, it is moral to accept the public benefit.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ayn-rand-social-security/

demigoddess

(6,642 posts)
12. please, please, I hope they call it Universal Health Care Insurance
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:33 AM
Aug 2018

not Medicare for all. People do not understand Medicare and Social Security are essentially insurance programs.

Nanjeanne

(4,969 posts)
19. Sure just like they gave up Medicare. I remember the original protests during
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:47 AM
Aug 2018

the Obama fight - when many of us hoped for at least a public option. We would have people at town halls with signs saying “keep your hands off my Medicare”. Dunces.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
21. They'd love it, but not give credit
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:58 AM
Aug 2018

Just like a stupid amount of them separated the ACA from "Obamacare". Same already happens with Medicare, Medicaid, and every other social program that keeps our country going.

The good news is that they're a shrinking demographic. The bad news is that their voting power keeps increasing despite this.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
22. Do all those socialism hating red hat Russia lovers turn down Social Security and Medicare?
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 09:08 AM
Aug 2018

Do they refuse to drive their cars on our socialist roads? Do they never go to the library?

I hope the do turn down single payer if we ever get it. There will soon be less red hat traitors around that way LOL

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