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Auggie

(31,177 posts)
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 06:19 AM Aug 2018

Koch Bros. Constitutional Convention: The Biggest Threat To Our Democracy (Robert Reich)

OpEd / August 6, 2018

The biggest threat to our democracy that nobody is talking about is the real possibility of a rogue Constitutional convention – empowering extremists to radically reshape the Constitution, our laws, and our country.

If just a few more states sign on to what’s called an “Article V convention” for a balanced budget amendment, there’s no limit to the damage they might do.

Amendments proposed by an Article V convention are supposed to be ratified by 38 states. But convention delegates could hijack the process and change the ratification process itself, tossing out the 38 state requirement.

An Article V convention would allow delegates to write their own agenda into our Constitution.

Full Piece: http://www.eurasiareview.com/06082018-robert-reich-the-biggest-threat-to-our-democracy-that-you-havent-heard-of-oped/

Possible agendas might include (or reverse) ...?

• A balanced budget amendment
• A woman’s right to choose.
• Marriage equality.
• First Amendment protections for free speech and a free press.
• Equal protection of the laws.
• Checks and balances.
• Your worst nightmare

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Koch Bros. Constitutional Convention: The Biggest Threat To Our Democracy (Robert Reich) (Original Post) Auggie Aug 2018 OP
This certainly is of great concern Sherman A1 Aug 2018 #1
Without an Article V convention we are already living with democratisphere Aug 2018 #2
Trump is small potatoes in comparison to a Koch America Auggie Aug 2018 #4
Yeah, as truly horrible as 45 is, and most of the shit Rs are pulling Cosmocat Aug 2018 #8
Also, the right to cecede. 3Hotdogs Aug 2018 #3
Fundamentalist Christian theocracy. no_hypocrisy Aug 2018 #5
So, what are we supposed to do about it? Silver Gaia Aug 2018 #6
For the states have have approved it - if Ds get power Cosmocat Aug 2018 #9
WE need take back the state legislatures and WE bring in a Constitutional Convention turbinetree Aug 2018 #10
GOTV!!! blue-wave Aug 2018 #12
here ya go pangaia Aug 2018 #13
Been looking for this info -- THANK YOU!!! Auggie Aug 2018 #21
VOTE. Push REAL facts to your friends. Challenge Fake info lancelyons Aug 2018 #15
"A Balanced Budge Amendment in itself if not bad. pangaia Aug 2018 #16
The balanced budget problem shanti Aug 2018 #28
That is what i mean pangaia Aug 2018 #30
The problem with balanced budget amendments is FoxNewsSucks Aug 2018 #32
We could win back those 900 state seats & governorships that we lost prior to 2016. CrispyQ Aug 2018 #29
From the article. Tx for posting. appalachiablue Aug 2018 #34
Yup blue-wave Aug 2018 #7
"and change the ratification process itself, tossing out the 38 state requirement" ? Tarc Aug 2018 #11
Yup. FUD at it's finest. nt Dr Hobbitstein Aug 2018 #14
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2018 #17
DU member jodymarie aimee brought the issue to my attention with this clip: Auggie Aug 2018 #25
And don't forget that their dad was one of the original white birchers... 2naSalit Aug 2018 #18
That happens, and it's the end of the Union. nt Maven Aug 2018 #19
K&R smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #20
Zero chance of this happening oberliner Aug 2018 #22
What makes you say this? Auggie Aug 2018 #23
States can rescind their decades-old applications oberliner Aug 2018 #24
Thanks for responding/sharing Auggie Aug 2018 #26
No problem oberliner Aug 2018 #27
There's a lot of the talk about different threats, etc., but the greatest of all is ignorance. Auggie Aug 2018 #31
Their Agenda Is Sick colsohlibgal Aug 2018 #33

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
1. This certainly is of great concern
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 06:24 AM
Aug 2018

And we need to pushback wherever possible and that includes important votes for state legislators and state senators.

National politics are important and fascinating, but what happens at a state and local level is critical to the future for all of us.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
2. Without an Article V convention we are already living with
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 07:10 AM
Aug 2018

"Your worst nightmare" realizing with drumpf things can always go from bad to worse.

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
4. Trump is small potatoes in comparison to a Koch America
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 07:19 AM
Aug 2018

Nightmares:

Abolishing the separation of Church and State would be in the top 5 ... maybe #1.

Repealing the 17th amendment is another.

Privatizing Social Security.

Medicare vouchers.

I could go on ...

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
8. Yeah, as truly horrible as 45 is, and most of the shit Rs are pulling
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:33 AM
Aug 2018

they are bullying their way through things right now.

IF we get a constitutional convention, this shit will become actual law - and it will literally take armed and violent rebellion to change it ...

The sickness in this country is just mind bending.

We are not any "smarter" than anyone else, but all of this is so painfully obvious to us and 1/3 of the county simply does not give a shit and another 1/3 is fully on board with it.

Sigh ...

Silver Gaia

(4,545 posts)
6. So, what are we supposed to do about it?
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 07:56 AM
Aug 2018

I've seen a lot af alarming posts (not here) about this, but no plan for how to prevent it. Some professor on Bill Mahr this week was ringing the alarm about this, but she didn't offer any ideas about what to do, either. She said something about 28 states having signed up for it, and only "a few more" were needed. OK. So, which 28 states? How likely are the remaining states to sign on to this? How many more do they need? And suppose they get "enough" states, what is the remedy? I'm not asking any of you to answer my questions. I'm just tossing them out there because they keep running through my mind.

Cosmocat

(14,566 posts)
9. For the states have have approved it - if Ds get power
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:34 AM
Aug 2018

can they rescind it?

That seems an obvious place to start ...

turbinetree

(24,709 posts)
10. WE need take back the state legislatures and WE bring in a Constitutional Convention
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:37 AM
Aug 2018

not having the Dark Money interest and the Koch's and billionaires dictate the terms, just like there Tory forefathers had back in the day, make a king rich and his underlings get quid pro quo, and had no services sorta of speaks but taxes going to the wealthy, just think, if the billionaires get to rewrite the Constitution in there imagine and they take everything ..................if we lose anymore in the mid terms, well they just need that magic number of 7......................enjoy......................this article


http://progressive.org/dispatches/delegates-meet-this-week-to-plan-altering-the-u-s-constitution/


blue-wave

(4,356 posts)
12. GOTV!!!
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:39 AM
Aug 2018

I believe they need 2/3'rds or more of the states to call for a constitutional convention. That would mean 34 states or more need to sign on.

We need to elect Democrats up and down the ballot. Help in any way you can. Phone banks, door-to-door, mailings, registering voters, donating if you can or driving people to the polling place on election day. There are so many things each of us can do that when multiplied will translate in victory on election night. I'll be working a precinct door-to-door until election day. Been doing it for years.

 

lancelyons

(988 posts)
15. VOTE. Push REAL facts to your friends. Challenge Fake info
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:57 AM
Aug 2018

If we do not get out and vote (which they on the right are counting on) then we will lose what we consider our freedoms.

A Balanced Budge Amendment in itself if not bad. We should all have balanced budgets even in our personal life.

But its the other things they would push that could be much worse.

WE must start capturing State legislatures. Fix the rules to prevent gerrymandering. They only want their votes to count and they will screw you in the back to get this done. This isnt a political game but a maneuver to take back the country from their perspective.

They are flat out scared that White people will not be the majority race in 20-30 years even though it will still be the largest race.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
16. "A Balanced Budge Amendment in itself if not bad.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 09:09 AM
Aug 2018

A Balanced Budge Amendment in itself if not bad. We should all have balanced budgets even in our personal life. "
Running a government is not at all the same as personal budgets.

This is a mistake and or fake claim made by the right, not that you are quoting the right, but I am just saying...

shanti

(21,675 posts)
28. The balanced budget problem
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 01:04 PM
Aug 2018

is really a poison pill. In order to get a balanced budget, the safety nets would inevitably fall. Professor (Nancy) McLean, one of Bill Maher's guests last Friday, was correct and was very serious about this issue. If you haven't before, check it out.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,434 posts)
32. The problem with balanced budget amendments is
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 03:34 PM
Aug 2018

that ALL they ever do is cut cut cut. Starting with taxes. Then moving on to essential services.

Not once in the media, including Maher's show last Friday, is it told that the budget WOULD be balanced, if corporations and billionaires paid taxes like working people do.


CrispyQ

(36,487 posts)
29. We could win back those 900 state seats & governorships that we lost prior to 2016.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 01:10 PM
Aug 2018


https://www.cbpp.org/research/states-likely-could-not-control-constitutional-convention-on-balanced-budget-amendment-or

Congress must act on this call if at least two-thirds of the states (34 states) make the request. The convention would then propose constitutional amendments. Under the Constitution, such amendments would take effect if ratified by at least 38 states. Jan 18, 2017


I'm not sure they can get enough states to ratify anything. The article above has some points on why a convention might be a bad idea for those who want it.

blue-wave

(4,356 posts)
7. Yup
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:29 AM
Aug 2018

We don't only need to take lots of congressional seats this midterm election, we need lots of state house and senate chambers as well as governors. Critically important to save our constitutional rights. The fight for the Democratic form of government never ended with the revolutionary war. It is and always has been a continuous struggle. Work like heck to GOTV this critically important election year.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
11. "and change the ratification process itself, tossing out the 38 state requirement" ?
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 08:38 AM
Aug 2018

That is a part of the Constitution, which woulds require an Amendment to change. An Article V Convention itself can't just change the Constitution without...surprise...going by the thresholds that are currently in place.

What a dumb, fear-mongering article.

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
25. DU member jodymarie aimee brought the issue to my attention with this clip:
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:53 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210966391

Oddly enough, I have the e-book (Democracy in Chains) but haven't finished it. I will now.

And thanks!

2naSalit

(86,690 posts)
18. And don't forget that their dad was one of the original white birchers...
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:14 AM
Aug 2018

which implies, to me, that what Bill Mahr said about this whole global conspiracy being about race is probably correct.

All the people with all the money in the world are scared of the rest of us and planning to enslave us all, apartheid style. I am looking for holes in this concept and I'm only connecting more dots instead. I have suspected that something of this sort was coming but I couldn't piece it all together. I don't think we have to ask too many more questions with the word "why" in them anymore, we need to ask ourselves "how" we are going to correct this situation that threatens everyone on the planet in a detrimental way.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. States can rescind their decades-old applications
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:52 PM
Aug 2018

While some conservative legislatures may still vote for it, liberal legislatures are rescinding their state’s decades-old support.

If the number of states calling for the convention even gets close to 34, it’s a certainty that the court cases dealing with the myriad uncertainties about the convention would take years to resolve

http://prospect.org/article/march-toward-constitutional-convention-slows-crawl
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. No problem
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 01:01 PM
Aug 2018

I get the feeling that this is not something we have to worry too much about.

But who knows!

Auggie

(31,177 posts)
31. There's a lot of the talk about different threats, etc., but the greatest of all is ignorance.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 01:49 PM
Aug 2018

Must keep spreading the news about these efforts.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
33. Their Agenda Is Sick
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:01 PM
Aug 2018

Hopefully Orangeman has been such a distaster that it causes one Hell of a Blue Wave.....before ithe Kochs, Scaifes, and other far right crazies turn us far right for decades.

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