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Bloomberg/August 5, 2018
Bright and breezy days are becoming a deeper nightmare for utilities struggling to earn a return on traditional power plants.
With wind and solar farms sprouting up in more areas -- and their power getting priority to feed into the grid in many places -- the amount of electricity being generated is outstripping demand during certain hours of the day.
The result: power prices are slipping to zero or even below more often in more jurisdictions. Thats adding to headaches for generators from NRG Energy Inc. in California to RWE AG in Germany and Origin Energy Ltd. in Australia. Once confined to a curiosity for a few hours over windy Christmas holidays, sub-zero cost of electricity is becoming a reality for hundreds of hours in many markets, upending the economics of the business in the process.
There is no time pattern for having negative prices in Belgium, said Marleen Vanhecke, an official at the nations grid manager, Elia System Operator SA. This phenomena is mainly determined by high wind generation in Germany and enough import capacity towards Belgium.
MORE: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-06/negative-prices-in-power-market-as-wind-solar-cut-electricity
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)exboyfil
(17,865 posts)In my Mechanical Engineering design course in the 1980s we considered water pumps and hydroelectric generators. Inefficiencies get you though as well as having available incline and volume in the necessary locations.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The US and Canadian power plants at Niagara Falls both use huge reservoirs to buffer demand; they even feature reversible generators.
Other viable storage schemes (at various scales and levels of maturity):
Compressed/insulated air bladders deep underwater
Liquid-electrode batteries (no solid electrodes to wear out; scalable to enormous size using storage tanks)
Flywheels
Molten salts
Kaleva
(36,318 posts)Hydrogen that can be stored and burned to run electrical generators.
Just did a google search and there is a wind to hydrogen project.
https://www.nrel.gov/hydrogen/wind-to-hydrogen.html
NickB79
(19,257 posts)So that's why this is so concerning. Cheap electricity is great; electricity that's negatively priced too long means the utilities don't have the cash to maintain vital grid infrastructure or enough employees to repair downed lines.
Auggie
(31,177 posts)Why do we need to keep rates artificially high just so shareholders can get a dividend? The public can own their utilities just as it owns the military. Okay not every municipality or region. But a good many.
Its a new world. The need for corporate growth via stockholders seems so antiquated and counter- productive now.
We've let far too many vitally important segments of society be dictated by the free market and it's constant quest for greater profits.
Kaleva
(36,318 posts)JCMach1
(27,562 posts)With utilities charging a provider fee...
NickB79
(19,257 posts)Cheaper solar panels and Power Walls would erode the customer base and force the utilities to jack up prices on the remaining customers, driving more people to go off-grid, etc, etc.
Just like how people cutting the cord for Netflix and streaming services today is eroding cable's profit margins.