I guess if we’re “Underground,” this climate stuff doesn’t matter.

It's easily one of the most depressing places on the web, but still required reading, IMO.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1127

The time to act was 40 years ago. The time to panic was when COP15 failed in Copenhagen. Now it's time to pour a stiff drink and kiss your children goodbye.

I'm old so I will miss the worst of what is coming but I feel sorry for the children I see everyday that are going to suffer mightily over this.

I hope the damned traitor GOP party gets full credit for destroying the planet.

All 7.6 billion of us. Politics is not a major factor, just population and consumption. We've been screwed sine the 1930s.

Apologies for the dystopian outlook...

When your only goal is to make ever increasing piles of money, it's not going to end well huh?

All the billionaires will rocket off to Mars and live in a luxury hole in the ground while the rest of humanity burns up or gets flooded out and starves to death.

Brave new world indeed.

a while ago that grandchildren are off the table. I don't want them bringing another human onto this planet when I don't even know what THEY are looking at 5-10 years from now. They are 15 &16

And I am terrified for my nephews and nieces, and especially their possible future children.

Here are two good articles that highlight was scares me the most. And they don't even address the deadly threat of hydrogen sulphide.

https://truthout.org/articles/release-of-arctic-methane-may-be-apocalyptic-study-warns/

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/earth-insight/2013/aug/05/7-facts-need-to-know-arctic-methane-time-bomb

are going to grow old in.

And I worry that my brother and sister's grandchildren, if they have any, will live to see the end of the human species, or at the very least the horrible precursors to the end.

I think the point where the whole world needed to get together and come up with a big plan was 30 years ago, in 1988, when James Hansen delivered his famous testimony to Congress. That was the point where any doubt that climate change existed, or was extremely dangerous, should have come to an end, even among the skeptical.

The issue did come up in the debate between Dan Quayle and Lloyd Bentsen. And in every series of debates through 2008. But in the last two elections there was not one question about it. Hillary did call Trump out on calling climate change a Chinese Hoax, which of course he lied about. But that was it.

That will make ww2 look puny. Worldwide, too. Don't really see that happening.

WITH ENFORCEMENT POWER to regulate, monitor, and punish violators. It's obviously a global problem suggesting the need for a global solution. Currently conscientious countries with resources may act responsibly but there may be many other countries that don't have the resources or the will to do what's necessary. As much as Republicans love their fossil fuels and hate international bodies like the U.N., a global body with real enforcement power probably won't happen.

The Republican Party or the planet?

The GOP will never let this country do anything about climate change.

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McCain once called it “a gas station masquerading as a country.” Does anybody think they are ever going to get very serious about doing what's needed?

So in answer to your question...I'm going with "the planet."



ETA: Some Republicans may be dumb enough to believe that if they can make enough money (from fossil fuels, etc.) they'll just buy a safe place in a gentrified area not threatened by climate change.

Sorry world.

their money won't mean shit if we keep on going the way we are, no one is immune. Unless they search out another planet to live on which they will destroy.

Believes that the rapprochement with Russia, destruction of NATO, the border wall, and aggressive moves toward Canada are principally because of global warming. 10 billion people in 2050.

to start covering it, actually it's way passed time!

Sponsor loyalty?

they're afraid their sponsors won't like them placing blame on oil companies etc.

Because then we can act against the effects of Global Climate Change more aggressively. And that is what we are doing.

On our species extinction gravestone, will the last person chisel, "if but for one more human, we could have changed the climate."

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Instead of mocking vegans/vegetarians, incorporate some of their habits.

That would make a HUGE impact regarding climate change.

I live in Florida, I need to spend the time that I would spend worrying working on my breast and back strokes. We have a ignorant nut in the White House that has turned the country over to the fossil fuel industry. We have problems folks.

I don’t need to say anymore.

I'm afraid it's degraded beyond repair.

As I'm pretty sure there is no way to solve this. We are acting like parasites. We've been very successful to the point our "host" is suffering. Luckily she will shrug us off and a new species will become dominant.

I have children and I'm hoping I'm wrong. But our genius is flawed by character that strives for dominance. And in abhorrent forms it has proven dangerous but never so much as now. our willful ignorance has led us here. The rich think they can ride this out. They will just get to suffer longer IMHO.


What we have done to nature / animals is the biggest sin if you believe ins such things or not-it is a abomination on a delicate balance that held almost unlimited beauty and abundance.

If we do want to evolve we have to learn we can't "own" land or animals or any of natures gifts. They are to be used with care for the future of all not the chosen or rich.

Good luck with that.

The cockroaches that take over will rule the world much more wisely than we ever did.

have been here longer than us.

Any species that is suicidal enough to elect a pig like Trump as leader has reached their Darwin award moment eh?

This world simply isn't fit to hold more than a few billion of us. If it isn't climate changing doing us in, it will just be some other issue like resource scarcity/lack of water/other environmental degradation. Almost all of our environmental problems are due to this root issue. You think climate change would be an issue if the world only had 500 million people spread across it? You think things like drought, desertification, etc would be issues? No, we could basically live in luxury with more than plenty of resources for everyone indefinitely if we could sustain a population at that level. Not only that, but the value of each individual life would go up. Right now, life is cheap. We barely even feel bad anymore on news of hundreds/thousands dying in 3rd world countries. That's what happens when we've reached a point where LESS IS MORE in regard to the human population. More humans is no longer a good thing for the world.

IMO we've reached a so called 'great filter' at this point. It's a test which will determine whether humans are worthy of continuing to advance and eventually exploring out from our planet, or whether we'll crowd ourselves out and fall into decay like a population of rats in a cage. Passing this test will require us to do one of the hardest things our species has ever been faced with, which is to go AGAINST our core reproductive instincts. No other species has ever been faced with this dilemma. Suddenly following our most basic urge to reproduce has become a bad thing which directly threatens the continuation of our civilization. We also need to figure out how to keep the economy going in a NEGATIVE growth society, which is another very complicated issue.

Personally I have no kids, nor do I really want them at this time, so I guess I have no stakes in the outcome of this game. Whether we pass this test or not is largely just a matter of intrigue to me. I'd like to see something encouraging for a change, but so far I see little which gives me hope for the future of humanity. The population just keeps going up and up, and organizations like the Catholic church STILL can't seem to get on board with contraception. On the bright side, I guess you could say that there's no greater privilege than to see the end of the world begin and possibly occur in your own lifespan. To know that you might be one of the most privileged generations in history, who lived with all the wonders of modern life, and yet lived before those same wonders critically damaged the world we live in. What a special time to be alive.

I've watched our growing season expand by 6-8 weeks here in West Virginia in the past 20 years. Our storms both winter and summer stronger than ever. I see and understand the relationship between CO2 and temperature, I see the levels of CO2 in the atmophere. Ive heard the smart guys and what they been saying. I also know that the wealthiest corporations, and people, in the history of this planet have a vested interest in, and have spent fortunes, lying and bullshitting the most gullible people on Earth convincing them what is happening isn't happening.

Just more of the same shit sandwich we get served everyday here in America by Republicans.