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wow (Original Post) heaven05 Aug 2018 OP
You can post it, but beware of alerts. TreasonousBastard Aug 2018 #1
Bernie Sanders snowybirdie Aug 2018 #2
so true, right on the mark heaven05 Aug 2018 #18
The "Don't Bash Democrats" rule explicitly includes Bernie oberliner Aug 2018 #20
Sorry to disagree snowybirdie Aug 2018 #22
until Bernie actually joins the Democratic party lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #55
Damn! BumRushDaShow Aug 2018 #3
He provides simple answers SHRED Aug 2018 #4
been saying since st ronnie- mopinko Aug 2018 #7
Bernie is fine for Vermont empedocles Aug 2018 #5
Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Aug 2018 #6
K&R brer cat Aug 2018 #8
You definitely can post it NastyRiffraff Aug 2018 #9
K&R Gothmog Aug 2018 #10
Once again preaching to the Democratic Party from the outside looking in. George II Aug 2018 #11
I just feel heaven05 Aug 2018 #12
I would call it murielm99 Aug 2018 #60
K&R sheshe2 Aug 2018 #13
thanks to you know who heaven05 Aug 2018 #14
Hey sheshe2 Aug 2018 #15
You're not hurting my feelings by posting ProudLib72 Aug 2018 #16
he's nothing special heaven05 Aug 2018 #17
Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #19
oh, democratic-socialist heaven05 Aug 2018 #21
Remember Walter Mondale in 1984? VOX Aug 2018 #25
McCarthy In '68 Me. Aug 2018 #30
K&R betsuni Aug 2018 #23
Developing a case of total Bern-out. VOX Aug 2018 #24
exactly... heaven05 Aug 2018 #40
You Are One Brave Being Me. Aug 2018 #26
don't need bravery for the truth heaven05 Aug 2018 #39
You're Right Me. Aug 2018 #42
Mahalo for posting this! Cha Aug 2018 #27
glad you saw it heaven05 Aug 2018 #38
K&R! mcar Aug 2018 #28
Hands down, the most honest declaration of sanity I have read Wwcd Aug 2018 #29
thank you heaven05 Aug 2018 #37
BOOKMARKED & preparing to Re-Post everywhere beyond DU... Wwcd Aug 2018 #31
you are more than welcome heaven05 Aug 2018 #36
Thank you, sir. spicysista Aug 2018 #32
you are welcome heaven05 Aug 2018 #35
Woohoo and thanks for posting. The truth laid bare and it berns. brush Aug 2018 #33
I liked the truth heaven05 Aug 2018 #34
Kick AND Rec + a million Wwcd Aug 2018 #41
the truth will heaven05 Aug 2018 #44
"It's all optics"..you can re-image anyone with Money & Media Wwcd Aug 2018 #45
K&R Jamaal510 Aug 2018 #43
Excellent! Thanks for sharing this! NurseJackie Aug 2018 #46
excellent heaven05 Aug 2018 #47
Time to Kick this interesting take from Cha Aug 2018 #48
Here we go again. Iggo Aug 2018 #49
that's right nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #50
How long til the 2018 elections again? theaocp Aug 2018 #52
I hope they vote democratic Party heaven05 Aug 2018 #56
Actually, it's all our problem. theaocp Aug 2018 #58
can't tell me to get over heaven05 Aug 2018 #61
My ego IS NOT in this heaven05 Aug 2018 #62
Glad to know how partial you are. n/t theaocp Aug 2018 #64
Oh, the irony... disillusioned73 Aug 2018 #51
You can, and you may, but why would you? elleng Aug 2018 #53
okay nt heaven05 Aug 2018 #54
The OP and linked article are like Mary Poppins stevenleser Aug 2018 #57
'The obsession with Bernie Sanders is easily the most puzzling thing in American politics' melman Aug 2018 #59
well I understand heaven05 Aug 2018 #63
This is such an excellent article. Thanks so much for posting it. I'm glad R B Garr Aug 2018 #65
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. The "Don't Bash Democrats" rule explicitly includes Bernie
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 04:49 PM
Aug 2018

"This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders)."

Edit to add: At least that's what it says in the rules.

snowybirdie

(5,231 posts)
22. Sorry to disagree
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 06:19 PM
Aug 2018

How is saying he's not a Democrat fall under the term bash? Pointing out a truth as he's registered as an independent officially. He's a good man with a good message, but has few realistic plans to follow through with resolving these issues. This year we have to stick together and not splinter. Don't you agree?

lapfog_1

(29,215 posts)
55. until Bernie actually joins the Democratic party
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:57 PM
Aug 2018

every DU jury I get selected for on a thread that is unflattering to Bernie and the alert is "don't bash Democratic figures" I feel obligated to vote that the alert is in error and to let the post stand.

I have asked for clarification on this from various people and have no received any guidance... so I have to go with the absolute reading of the rule. Bernie is not a Democrat.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
4. He provides simple answers
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 10:53 AM
Aug 2018

To very complex issues.

People like simplicity.no matter if accurate or not.

mopinko

(70,155 posts)
7. been saying since st ronnie-
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:20 PM
Aug 2018

for every complex problem there is an answer that is simple, appealing and WRONG.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
9. You definitely can post it
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:33 PM
Aug 2018

and thank you for doing so. But be aware of alerts that are sure to follow. It's considered sacrilege by some to criticize The Bernie.

Gothmog

(145,427 posts)
10. K&R
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 12:49 PM
Aug 2018

I like this article. Sanders has no real legislative accomplishments in the real world which is why I never took him seriously.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
12. I just feel
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 02:55 PM
Aug 2018

that we are fighting the Party of Putin instead of just the GOP. So many trying to drag down our Party from the inside and outside. I'm just thankful that our tent is so large that it will be impossible to beat us in November short of trump calling in the Spetsnaz. Then they will have a fight on their hands.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
16. You're not hurting my feelings by posting
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 04:24 PM
Aug 2018

Then again, I got tsk tsked the other day for maligning The Bernie.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
17. he's nothing special
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 04:34 PM
Aug 2018

a minor leader of a minor faction under a very large tent called the Democratic Party. Not the democratic-socialist party, The Democratic Party. Period. The media is trying to make this faction something IT WILL NEVER BE, the leadership of the DEMOCRATIC PARTY. He likes simple, this is simple.

Response to heaven05 (Original post)

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
21. oh, democratic-socialist
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 05:02 PM
Aug 2018

are about saving democracy. Am I correct on this read of what you wrote....and yes the Democratic Party is the only thing holding up the POP and his surrogates from destroying our democracy. Seems you have things ASS BACKWARDS.... but well.... have a good one

VOX

(22,976 posts)
25. Remember Walter Mondale in 1984?
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 07:02 PM
Aug 2018

Bernie would very likely fare worse. Can’t afford that in 2020, because that’d be the absolute end of democracy, if whatever-Republican wins. Over. Finished. Done.

Purity later, safety first.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
24. Developing a case of total Bern-out.
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 06:57 PM
Aug 2018

What’s the half-life of “political purity” in the face of full-on fascism, anyway?

Me.

(35,454 posts)
26. You Are One Brave Being
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 07:11 PM
Aug 2018

I read this elsewhere and considered posting but didn't know if I was in the mood to be creamed. Loved this piece...thank you.

Cha

(297,418 posts)
27. Mahalo for posting this!
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 07:16 PM
Aug 2018

Yeah, Milt Shook was Not impressed with BS saying the Democratic Party was the party of "the 100% and Not of working people".. neither were a lot of other peeps.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
38. glad you saw it
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 09:11 PM
Aug 2018

I have not been impressed since 2015, glad to be of service. I got it elsewhere. From a friend....

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
29. Hands down, the most honest declaration of sanity I have read
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 07:28 PM
Aug 2018

Absolutely the best "must read".

Applause meter is off the charts with this well written & honest claim to what Democrats have been observing since March 2015.

Its the magic slight of hand of Tad, we've been witnessing.
And its unbelievable that its all brought to us by "Money & Media".
And the whole pathetic show is finally being called out.

Greatest Page worthy post.

Thanks heaven05.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
37. thank you
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 09:09 PM
Aug 2018

a friend gave me the heads up, I had to post it.... the truth will set us free....from....well you know

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
31. BOOKMARKED & preparing to Re-Post everywhere beyond DU...
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 07:41 PM
Aug 2018

Off it goes!!!

Thank you heaven05..🍃

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
36. you are more than welcome
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 09:07 PM
Aug 2018

I found it elsewhere. A friend had posted it and I just could not ignore it.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
34. I liked the truth
Mon Aug 6, 2018, 09:05 PM
Aug 2018

it was obvious, especially with all we have been dealing with when it comes to that minor faction

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
44. the truth will
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 07:56 AM
Aug 2018

set our Party free...corny..I know, but I think it is the only course of action at this perilous time in our Party and country. As I have been saying all along the Party faithful must continue to marginalize certain minor factions within the big tent of our Party. And to counteract the media speculation and exaggeration concerning 'rising stars' and their mentor(s). It's all optics, minus the truth most times. It's how we got trump as a potus.

Thank you for your help.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
45. "It's all optics"..you can re-image anyone with Money & Media
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:11 AM
Aug 2018

"And to counteract the media speculation and exaggeration concerning 'rising stars' and their mentor(s). It's all optics, minus the truth most times. It's how we got trump as a potus. "


Well stated.

theaocp

(4,243 posts)
52. How long til the 2018 elections again?
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:54 PM
Aug 2018

I'd hate to think that Sanders has any followers who might vote Democratic this election. They might not vote at all. So, can we please put aside the lulz at the idealists and bring them into our tent without the tall glass of "I told you so"? It's as inspiring as gargling onion juice.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
56. I hope they vote democratic Party
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:01 PM
Aug 2018

if not, they set the precedent in 2016, not me. We got trump, partially it seems now because many thousands sat out the vote, didn't vote, they got trump too and celebrated. Oh yeah, I saw that. I won't be fooled again. I am done with this BS. Vote Democratic candidates or don't, your problem, not mine. good bye to this bullshit factionalism.

theaocp

(4,243 posts)
58. Actually, it's all our problem.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:06 PM
Aug 2018

Look I get it. People are easily divided. Why contribute to that after the contest is over? Pettiness? Ego? We have shit to get done between now and November. Get over your hatred of Sanders, work to bring his voters on the Democratic side, and celebrate in a few months. Or not and fail the purity test.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
61. can't tell me to get over
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:12 PM
Aug 2018

an anger at seeing people trying to DESTROY our Party in favour of some agenda of a minor faction coming from minor leaders of that faction. Look you get over your obsession with loving Sanders. I do not like him, his tactics or obfuscation of truth about him and his faction. I am working for my Party. My candidate won yesterday in spite of the last minute last-ditch effort by Sanders and AOC to keep my candidate from winning. Thankfully our turnout overwhelmed the democratic-socialist side of challenges. Same with Sharice Davis.

His voters better come to the side that will unseat the republikans in November. I willl tell them nothing. They want to sit at home and whine and cry in their beer. Stomp their feet and not vote. I say that's their choice. They are adults, sometimes, so they should gird up their loins realize what a minor faction they are and join us. Otherwise the hell with them. Even though my candidate's experience and truthfulness made her the best choice, that "side" tried to derail her. I am done playing with them. They either vote or go sit in the corner and whine. If they vote fine, if not their choice. Yeah GOTV for November.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
62. My ego IS NOT in this
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:15 PM
Aug 2018

I think we all know who has contributed pettiness, ego gratification over qualified candidates. Yeah, I got my shit done yesterday. Overwhelmed the petty-ego faction. And I will keep working with other adults to get it done in November. The rest is up to the petty-ego faction and leaders. NOT ME!!!!!

 

melman

(7,681 posts)
59. 'The obsession with Bernie Sanders is easily the most puzzling thing in American politics'
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:13 PM
Aug 2018

Maybe people tired of the obsession with Bernie Sanders...should stop being obsessed with Bernie Sanders.

Be the change you want to see in the world.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
63. well I understand
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 04:19 PM
Aug 2018

how magicians and carnival barkers draw em in, sleight of hand, lots of optics, and in the end NO SUBSTANCE. I read the whole thing. You just lose your money or faith in something. Yeah, they need to unify with our Party and quit being a minor irritant to our body politic.

R B Garr

(16,963 posts)
65. This is such an excellent article. Thanks so much for posting it. I'm glad
Thu Aug 9, 2018, 12:23 PM
Aug 2018

people are confronting this with the resistance and realism that it has long deserved.

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