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Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:35 PM Aug 2018

One fact..If Trump wins by 11 percent in 2016 in this district...(I was wrong on previous number)

and this fellow wins by less than 1 percent. (1800votes)...today, then how much have the pukes lost in support in the last 20 months?..due to who?.......It wasn't due to me, .... it was due to Trump

Yes, O'Connor lost..but who voted for who?...How many former Trumpers basically voted against Trump?

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One fact..If Trump wins by 11 percent in 2016 in this district...(I was wrong on previous number) (Original Post) Stuart G Aug 2018 OP
I Can Appreciate The Optimism LandOfHopeAndDreams Aug 2018 #1
This wasn't a Senate race -- it was a House race. W_HAMILTON Aug 2018 #2
With all the elections going on it can get confusing. Maraya1969 Aug 2018 #7
Not What I Meant LandOfHopeAndDreams Aug 2018 #9
You're reading that wrong... lame54 Aug 2018 #13
Yes, a loss is still a loss. Sometimes a loss has additional meaning.. Stuart G Aug 2018 #4
Yes, 34% Gains Across Country Would Be Very Nice LandOfHopeAndDreams Aug 2018 #11
He lost? Have all the votes been counted? Maraya1969 Aug 2018 #3
No they have not. rasberry Aug 2018 #15
This election confirms Trump is a loser and the blue wave is coming. Doodley Aug 2018 #5
The loss in OH12 follows the averages we've been seeing nationwide... Wounded Bear Aug 2018 #6
Where did the 36% figure come from? Garrett78 Aug 2018 #8
A number came from the 2016 election.Trump won this district by 36 percent..(this is wrong, 11 %) Stuart G Aug 2018 #10
Trump won the district by 11 percent. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #12
Trump did not win the by 36% in 2016, Pat Tiberi won OH 12 by 36% in 2016 (trump won by 11%) krawhitham Aug 2018 #14
(and I was wrong)...It was 10 percent for Trump Stuart G Aug 2018 #16
Still OH 12 swung 35 points tonight krawhitham Aug 2018 #17
Yes, ..from the previous Congressional election to this..is that correct? Stuart G Aug 2018 #19
Yep krawhitham Aug 2018 #20
It means we are underestimating the power of incumbency in other House races Awsi Dooger Aug 2018 #18
You are correct, the incumbent has a big advantage marylandblue Aug 2018 #23
Here are the final numbers and percents from the NY Times...about 11:15pm ET Stuart G Aug 2018 #21
It's difficult customerserviceguy Aug 2018 #22
 
1. I Can Appreciate The Optimism
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:39 PM
Aug 2018

But a loss is still a loss, and it sucks.

Being close in the Senate is meaningless. Scoreboard is what matters.

Not sure you remember the baseball team that came back from 10-0, if they lose 10-9.

But the bright side is there are plenty of districts where the Democrats are likely going to win in November. Losing anywhere is still depressing.

W_HAMILTON

(7,871 posts)
2. This wasn't a Senate race -- it was a House race.
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:42 PM
Aug 2018

Pretty … strange … that an American following this race would not know this.

 
9. Not What I Meant
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:54 PM
Aug 2018

I just meant that being on the losing side by a vote in the Senate is still being on the losing side.

I am fully aware this is a Representative, not a Senator.

lame54

(35,313 posts)
13. You're reading that wrong...
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:01 PM
Aug 2018

They are listing examples with. "1 vote shy in the senate" being one them

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
4. Yes, a loss is still a loss. Sometimes a loss has additional meaning..
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:44 PM
Aug 2018

Maybe this time, it does have meaning..maybe.. Look back at the 2006 congressional elections..Weren't there Democratic pick ups that kind of foreshadowed Obama's win..is that correct? Did the republicans even admit the nature of those wins?..............In 2006 from Wikipedia:

"The 2006 United States elections were held on Tuesday, November 7, 2006 in the middle of Republican President George W. Bush's second term. All United States House of Representatives seats and one third of the United States Senate seats were contested in this election, as well as 36 state and two territorial governorships, many state legislatures, four territorial legislatures and many state and local races. The election resulted in a sweeping victory for the Democratic Party which captured control of the House of Representatives, the Senate, and won a majority of governorships and state legislatures from the Republican Party."

Yes, we lost...a loss is a loss..But..there was over a 34 percent gain in our totals, in a very strong Republican district..due to who and why?..If, you are going to discount a 34 percent gain for our side, you can.
...But sometimes a loss predicts the future. I will be glad to take a 34 percent gain for our side in total numbers in November...that is a whole lot of votes.. If we improve across the country by 34 percent..would you take that?

 
11. Yes, 34% Gains Across Country Would Be Very Nice
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:57 PM
Aug 2018

I just can't stand that even with all that's happened, Any repub can still win. But I guess it's inevitable, right? We're not going to win them all.

I want Both Houses in November. Not just the House.

Wounded Bear

(58,685 posts)
6. The loss in OH12 follows the averages we've been seeing nationwide...
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:44 PM
Aug 2018

in this cycle of specials and primaries. Overall, voters have moved about 10-12% or so towards Dems on average. This has held, even in red districts like OH12.

There are several dozen districts where a 10 point swing will flip them blue.

You can use the sports analogy of "there are no moral victories" if you like. Me, I still like that elections are consistently showing that 10% shift to the blue.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
10. A number came from the 2016 election.Trump won this district by 36 percent..(this is wrong, 11 %)
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 10:55 PM
Aug 2018

sorry, I read the numbers wrong..my error..

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
16. (and I was wrong)...It was 10 percent for Trump
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:08 PM
Aug 2018

then what does that mean?.. Our side has improved greatly no matter who one looks at it..
......35 percent looking at the Congressional numbers...and 10 percent change from the Trump numbers..I believe that 10 percent is quite significant. Trump supporters, went for O'Connor the Democrat. Now, that is what I believe. Is that significant?...to me it is ..

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
19. Yes, ..from the previous Congressional election to this..is that correct?
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:16 PM
Aug 2018

That is indeed a whole lot..of swinging...

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
18. It means we are underestimating the power of incumbency in other House races
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:15 PM
Aug 2018

You can't take that special election 10-12 point swing from 2016 and expect it to hold up fully when an incumbent is defending the seat. That mistake is being made repeatedly. I realize I'm not popular for pointing it out, but the cheerleader types tend to miss the basics like that.

Fortunately we've had plenty of R retirements in districts that were not safe. We've got a jump start toward +23 but the final handful are problematic.

It is very important for Trump's approval rating to dip in the next 80 days and not rise. That small shift impacts how some independents view him and how they'll vote.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
23. You are correct, the incumbent has a big advantage
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:06 AM
Aug 2018

But we do have one example of a regular election where Democrats made significant gains- the Virginia House of Delegates had a regular election in 2017. In the 100 member House, Democrats picked up 15 seats and defeated 10 incumbents, in 8 cases they defeated the incumbent by 5 or more points. Just counting those 8 seats and scaling up nationally, it points to a 32 seat pickup.

Not exactly a scientific method of handicapping an election, but I think it does point to the vulnerability of Republican incumbents this year. Balderson may want to wait a few months before he unpacks his boxes in his new office.

Stuart G

(38,439 posts)
21. Here are the final numbers and percents from the NY Times...about 11:15pm ET
Tue Aug 7, 2018, 11:26 PM
Aug 2018

Votes
Pct.

Troy Balderson
Republican
101,574 50.2%

Danny O’Connor
Democrat
99,820 49.3

Joe Manchik
Green
1,127 0.6

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
22. It's difficult
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:57 AM
Aug 2018

to generalize a special election to a general one. In the special elections, mass amounts of dollars are diverted to get a message across that is often lost in a general election.

We won't have the massive resources to spend on the dozens of Congressional districts that have any chance of being flipped, and even if we did, we might well wind up with some "almost" races that will not alter the face of Congress. Besides, even if we take the House, we will not be able to get an impeachment through the Senate, even if we squeak through a victory there by running the table this November.

Trump has already shown that he can do a lot of damage with merely the powers of the executive branch, even if Congress doesn't give him a damned thing. We are in for at least two more years of hell, and we need to be mentally and emotionally prepared for that. November is not the beginning of his end, unfortunately.

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