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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOne fact..If Trump wins by 11 percent in 2016 in this district...(I was wrong on previous number)
and this fellow wins by less than 1 percent. (1800votes)...today, then how much have the pukes lost in support in the last 20 months?..due to who?.......It wasn't due to me, .... it was due to Trump
Yes, O'Connor lost..but who voted for who?...How many former Trumpers basically voted against Trump?
LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)But a loss is still a loss, and it sucks.
Being close in the Senate is meaningless. Scoreboard is what matters.
Not sure you remember the baseball team that came back from 10-0, if they lose 10-9.
But the bright side is there are plenty of districts where the Democrats are likely going to win in November. Losing anywhere is still depressing.
W_HAMILTON
(7,871 posts)Pretty strange that an American following this race would not know this.
Maraya1969
(22,490 posts)LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)I just meant that being on the losing side by a vote in the Senate is still being on the losing side.
I am fully aware this is a Representative, not a Senator.
lame54
(35,313 posts)They are listing examples with. "1 vote shy in the senate" being one them
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Maybe this time, it does have meaning..maybe.. Look back at the 2006 congressional elections..Weren't there Democratic pick ups that kind of foreshadowed Obama's win..is that correct? Did the republicans even admit the nature of those wins?..............In 2006 from Wikipedia:
"The 2006 United States elections were held on Tuesday, November 7, 2006 in the middle of Republican President George W. Bush's second term. All United States House of Representatives seats and one third of the United States Senate seats were contested in this election, as well as 36 state and two territorial governorships, many state legislatures, four territorial legislatures and many state and local races. The election resulted in a sweeping victory for the Democratic Party which captured control of the House of Representatives, the Senate, and won a majority of governorships and state legislatures from the Republican Party."
Yes, we lost...a loss is a loss..But..there was over a 34 percent gain in our totals, in a very strong Republican district..due to who and why?..If, you are going to discount a 34 percent gain for our side, you can.
...But sometimes a loss predicts the future. I will be glad to take a 34 percent gain for our side in total numbers in November...that is a whole lot of votes.. If we improve across the country by 34 percent..would you take that?
LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)I just can't stand that even with all that's happened, Any repub can still win. But I guess it's inevitable, right? We're not going to win them all.
I want Both Houses in November. Not just the House.
Maraya1969
(22,490 posts)Shit.
EDIT: If it's really close they should do a recount
rasberry
(49 posts)Provisional & absentee ballots are still to be counted.
Doodley
(9,119 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,685 posts)in this cycle of specials and primaries. Overall, voters have moved about 10-12% or so towards Dems on average. This has held, even in red districts like OH12.
There are several dozen districts where a 10 point swing will flip them blue.
You can use the sports analogy of "there are no moral victories" if you like. Me, I still like that elections are consistently showing that 10% shift to the blue.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Stuart G
(38,439 posts)sorry, I read the numbers wrong..my error..
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)krawhitham
(4,645 posts)Stuart G
(38,439 posts)then what does that mean?.. Our side has improved greatly no matter who one looks at it..
......35 percent looking at the Congressional numbers...and 10 percent change from the Trump numbers..I believe that 10 percent is quite significant. Trump supporters, went for O'Connor the Democrat. Now, that is what I believe. Is that significant?...to me it is ..
krawhitham
(4,645 posts)Stuart G
(38,439 posts)That is indeed a whole lot..of swinging...
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)You can't take that special election 10-12 point swing from 2016 and expect it to hold up fully when an incumbent is defending the seat. That mistake is being made repeatedly. I realize I'm not popular for pointing it out, but the cheerleader types tend to miss the basics like that.
Fortunately we've had plenty of R retirements in districts that were not safe. We've got a jump start toward +23 but the final handful are problematic.
It is very important for Trump's approval rating to dip in the next 80 days and not rise. That small shift impacts how some independents view him and how they'll vote.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)But we do have one example of a regular election where Democrats made significant gains- the Virginia House of Delegates had a regular election in 2017. In the 100 member House, Democrats picked up 15 seats and defeated 10 incumbents, in 8 cases they defeated the incumbent by 5 or more points. Just counting those 8 seats and scaling up nationally, it points to a 32 seat pickup.
Not exactly a scientific method of handicapping an election, but I think it does point to the vulnerability of Republican incumbents this year. Balderson may want to wait a few months before he unpacks his boxes in his new office.
Stuart G
(38,439 posts)Votes
Pct.
Troy Balderson
Republican
101,574 50.2%
Danny OConnor
Democrat
99,820 49.3
Joe Manchik
Green
1,127 0.6
customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)to generalize a special election to a general one. In the special elections, mass amounts of dollars are diverted to get a message across that is often lost in a general election.
We won't have the massive resources to spend on the dozens of Congressional districts that have any chance of being flipped, and even if we did, we might well wind up with some "almost" races that will not alter the face of Congress. Besides, even if we take the House, we will not be able to get an impeachment through the Senate, even if we squeak through a victory there by running the table this November.
Trump has already shown that he can do a lot of damage with merely the powers of the executive branch, even if Congress doesn't give him a damned thing. We are in for at least two more years of hell, and we need to be mentally and emotionally prepared for that. November is not the beginning of his end, unfortunately.