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Will El-Sayed campaign ferociously for Whitmer? (Original Post) joshcryer Aug 2018 OP
Nah...unless he now realizes that to win, you have to want MORE Votes. Not less. Wwcd Aug 2018 #1
It is prerogative that the loser campaign for the winner. joshcryer Aug 2018 #4
Will Shri Thanedar? chrsjrcj Aug 2018 #2
Sharice Davdids will 100%. joshcryer Aug 2018 #3
Crossing my fingers for Welder. liberalnarb Aug 2018 #13
Thanedar was not a serious candidate. he was a troll and idiots fell for his shit JI7 Aug 2018 #14
I just ask that question on another thread.. Cha Aug 2018 #5
Whitmer will do just fine.... she is fierce. demmiblue Aug 2018 #6
Oh too bad you can't handle El Sayed getting called out for Cha Aug 2018 #7
Glad to see you learned from your mistake of supporting certain candidates Kaleva Aug 2018 #44
If he doesn't campaign for her... joshcryer Aug 2018 #9
Something tells me you'll call him out no matter what he does. n/t demmiblue Aug 2018 #10
+1 liberalnarb Aug 2018 #12
Wrong Again, demmiblue. You're just Lashing out now Cha Aug 2018 #18
... Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #37
Yeah, save that for demmiblue's attack on Cha Aug 2018 #39
... Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #41
+1000 Tiggeroshii Aug 2018 #36
Hundreds of thousands voted against him. Do they get sneered R B Garr Aug 2018 #19
Schuette is a piece of shit. roamer65 Aug 2018 #8
In my head, I call him Schweddy. n/t demmiblue Aug 2018 #11
I think the vast majority will RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #21
As much as I agree with you, this line of attack is not inspiring for anyone. theaocp Aug 2018 #27
El-Sayed made a strong statement of support unc70 Aug 2018 #15
"Probably too much to hope for." demmiblue Aug 2018 #17
"We have an opportunity," he said. "Do not walk out of here saying anything like, 'Abdul or bust.' lunasun Aug 2018 #16
Generating his own narrative. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #24
The message is clear. theaocp Aug 2018 #28
Creating ones own slogan is pretty clear. nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #29
Srsly? theaocp Aug 2018 #32
Great question. R B Garr Aug 2018 #20
No. He is not a coalition builder. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #22
Perhaps we can unite now? theaocp Aug 2018 #25
A track record that does not build. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #30
Talk about a purity test. theaocp Aug 2018 #33
I have no purity test. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #47
Then you'll have no problem theaocp Aug 2018 #50
If he is willing. Time will tell. Of course I hope he will be campaigning for the progressive. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #57
"If he's willing..." theaocp Aug 2018 #58
No clue whose "morale" you are talking about. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #60
The morale of those who supported a losing candidate. theaocp Aug 2018 #61
I just don't get this whole concept of me me me. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #62
Look you can berate those you want to vote for your candidate theaocp Aug 2018 #63
Would it help or harm? NurseJackie Aug 2018 #23
the important questions is whether Whitmer can draw in El-Sayed's supporters bigtree Aug 2018 #26
I always vote for the most left leaning candidate in the primary. Then GOTV for the nominee in the emulatorloo Aug 2018 #35
it can be unfamiliar territory for some voters bigtree Aug 2018 #45
I would hope he will fall in line and support the winner. nt LexVegas Aug 2018 #31
You're in luck. theaocp Aug 2018 #34
Don't care, long as he doesn't campaign against her. Iggo Aug 2018 #38
You should care. theaocp Aug 2018 #40
Okay, let me repackage that. Iggo Aug 2018 #42
I hear you. theaocp Aug 2018 #43
If and when the ratfuckery stops, the posts about the ratfuckery will stop. OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #46
No. theaocp Aug 2018 #48
We should expect more ratfuckery, then? OilemFirchen Aug 2018 #51
Fuck if I know theaocp Aug 2018 #55
He doesn't own people and isn't running for anything. nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #49
Are you serious or just harboring a grudge? theaocp Aug 2018 #52
As much as I don't like the guy, I do appreciate what he said about unity after his loss. MrsCoffee Aug 2018 #53
El-Sayed pamdb Aug 2018 #54
The real question for me lapucelle Aug 2018 #56
I don't know him. Is he wired dissident or did he Hortensis Aug 2018 #59
I see no valid reasons given that he wouldn't. LanternWaste Aug 2018 #64
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
1. Nah...unless he now realizes that to win, you have to want MORE Votes. Not less.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:13 AM
Aug 2018

Think he just got some bad advice.
We'll see.

demmiblue

(36,875 posts)
6. Whitmer will do just fine.... she is fierce.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:17 AM
Aug 2018

And whatever El-Sayed does will be criticized ad nauseam by a small minority typing away ferociously on an internet message board. That is a given. Same as it ever was.

Cha

(297,496 posts)
7. Oh too bad you can't handle El Sayed getting called out for
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:19 AM
Aug 2018

his campaign tactics:nopity;

You and your "small minority".. Newsflash.. El Sayed was getting called out all over Twitter, too.

Kaleva

(36,325 posts)
44. Glad to see you learned from your mistake of supporting certain candidates
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:41 PM
Aug 2018

Connie Saltonstall never did support or campaign for the winner of the primary and that's probably another reason why you no longer support candidates such as her. Party unity, especially in the general, is very important.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
9. If he doesn't campaign for her...
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:24 AM
Aug 2018

...you'll be damn straight I'll call him out on it. That's what the losing candidate is supposed to do.

R B Garr

(16,966 posts)
19. Hundreds of thousands voted against him. Do they get sneered
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:46 AM
Aug 2018

at, too? Aren’t you saying she’s on her own and doesn’t need the help? Does the same apply to Cortez—she’ll be fine, no help needed...? Ooh, same as it ever was, indeed.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
8. Schuette is a piece of shit.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:20 AM
Aug 2018

Last edited Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:19 AM - Edit history (1)

Abdul’s voters had better get out and vote against him.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
27. As much as I agree with you, this line of attack is not inspiring for anyone.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:00 PM
Aug 2018

I counsel folks to NOT tell voters what they "better do", but rather play up Schuette's negatives (not hard, and factual) while upping Whitmer's positives (not as easy, since it's easier to be negative). We have to move past the primary YESTERDAY and make this happen. As a Michigan resident, I understand this clearly.

unc70

(6,117 posts)
15. El-Sayed made a strong statement of support
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:01 AM
Aug 2018

Urged everyone to unite behind Whitmer. Maybe the naysayers here can give it a rest now. Probably too much to hope for.

demmiblue

(36,875 posts)
17. "Probably too much to hope for."
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:13 AM
Aug 2018

I think you are probably right. Some will go on about him for years (good thing I have most of those types on ignore).

Anywho, I look forward to kicking Schweddy's arse!

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
16. "We have an opportunity," he said. "Do not walk out of here saying anything like, 'Abdul or bust.'
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:08 AM
Aug 2018

^^Concession speech tonight to his supporters^^

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
24. Generating his own narrative.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 11:48 AM
Aug 2018

Pretty solid ego.

https://www.google.com/search?q=abdul+or+bust&rlz=1C1EODB_enUS545US545&oq=abdul+or+bust&aqs=chrome..69i57j0.2559j1j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Have people been making the claim that is what they are going to do? Literally making up his own narrative based on self.

Hit the campaign trail, El-Sayed.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
28. The message is clear.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:03 PM
Aug 2018

Why you are still attacking him 12 hours later for something he couldn't have done in that time leaves what options for him? He's trying for unity and you're shitting on him for it. Damn.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
32. Srsly?
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:11 PM
Aug 2018

He's obviously trying to bring unity around the Democratic nominee, but I guess that's hard to comprehend? If you really want to support Whitmer, get behind her SUPPORTERS, like Abdul, and let's kick Republican ass.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. No. He is not a coalition builder.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 11:46 AM
Aug 2018

Might be a tweet or two and a stop or two. That's it. Even that will be about self.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
57. If he is willing. Time will tell. Of course I hope he will be campaigning for the progressive.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:26 PM
Aug 2018

I don't know how I could "not let him".

Strange.

Whitmer for the win! Get on board! Get in line!







theaocp

(4,244 posts)
58. "If he's willing..."
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:30 PM
Aug 2018

Give him time. There is no reason to think otherwise, other than pessimism. He has said everything right from the losing end and has my benefit of the doubt. We need those voters and morale does not improve with repeated beatings. Fuck Schuette with a chainsaw. That’s my mantra.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
61. The morale of those who supported a losing candidate.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:38 PM
Aug 2018

I get that most people like to discard the folks on the losing end, but they still support Democratic ideals. They need to be listened to and not told to “get in line”. That line of thinking doesn’t yield good governing in a democracy. That’s exciting.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
62. I just don't get this whole concept of me me me.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:45 PM
Aug 2018

My candidate lost and you better not say anything negative about him or I won’t support the progressive running. Fuck PUMA’s. They stand in direct conflict to what we believe as a group.

I voted for Charlie Crist after he won in his primary. People aren’t as shallow as you are making them out to be, in general.

This would be more logical if you were trying to make a point about yourself. Are you not willing to support progressives if your person loses a primary? If you answer that you are willing to, then the rest is just making things up about others.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
63. Look you can berate those you want to vote for your candidate
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:51 PM
Aug 2018

Or you work to bring them in. Which do you want to do? There are a lot of Abdul’s supporters that Whitmer can have in her camp. Bring them in without nyah nyahing in their face. It’s the high road and fucks Republicans. Where’s the question?

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
26. the important questions is whether Whitmer can draw in El-Sayed's supporters
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 11:49 AM
Aug 2018

...time to stop treating her primary challengers like they were caricatures and monoliths.

There is a host of new and potential votes from supporters of these challengers that Whitmer is now compelled to adopt and keep for use in November. There's no blaming defeated candidates if she isn't able to do that.


More Michigan Democrats turned out to vote in Tuesday’s gubernatorial primary, won by Gretchen Whitmer, than in any Democratic primary in the state since 1978. The Detroit Free Press reports:

The results show Democratic voters, in particular, are more energized than they were the last time Michigan had a gubernatorial election with contested nominations in both parties. With 99 percent of precincts reporting, close to 2.1 million votes had been cast for governor, shattering recent turnout results for a midterm primary election. Democratic candidates for governor had received just over 1.1 million votes, while Republican candidates for governor had received about 975,000 votes.

Michigan’s record-breaking turnout—in August, no less—was the result of a three-way race that drew national attention...

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/150542/democrats-voting-record-numbers-even-dead-summer

emulatorloo

(44,164 posts)
35. I always vote for the most left leaning candidate in the primary. Then GOTV for the nominee in the
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:13 PM
Aug 2018

general.

It’s not rocket science.

I appreciated El-Sayed’s full throated endorsement of Whitmer last night. Good for him.

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
45. it can be unfamiliar territory for some voters
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:54 PM
Aug 2018

...it's not really an issue for seasoned Democrats, but the folks who would potentially expand our base will need more than admonitions against not voting to get them to the polls.

I like Whitmer's appeal to her opponents:

She commended them for their efforts throughout this campaign season and said she was proud to be on a Democratic ticket, “with the most diversity in state history.” Whitmer said, adding that she is opening the door to El-Sayed and Thanedar for future teamwork.

“There is a place for you as we move forward. I appreciate your spirit and your energy, I appreciate your ideas and what you have meant to this party,” she said.

Iggo

(47,563 posts)
42. Okay, let me repackage that.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:30 PM
Aug 2018

Don't care, as long as Democratic voters don't do the dumbest fucking thing we do, which is to keep fighting the goddam motherfucking primary after it's over.

That's really what I meant to say.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
43. I hear you.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 12:35 PM
Aug 2018

Clarity is best seen under unforgiving light. It's why I posted about Abdul supporting Whitmer as soon as I could. This shit was over last night. It's time to let the posts about how much ratfuckery there is or is not going on GO. Like yesterday. It's like a fight between spouses: you can continue to hold grudges or you can love each other and work toward common goals. Let it go, motherfuckers. Let it go.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
46. If and when the ratfuckery stops, the posts about the ratfuckery will stop.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:14 PM
Aug 2018

That's a given, doncha think?

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
55. Fuck if I know
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:25 PM
Aug 2018

But based on past performance of conservatives, probably. We have to assume it won’t come from primary opponents and get their supporters to vote for the Democratic nominee. The butthurt of yesterday is strong but I’ll be fucked before letting Schuette be my next governor.

theaocp

(4,244 posts)
52. Are you serious or just harboring a grudge?
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:22 PM
Aug 2018

He obviously has supporters that should support Whitmer. Get over the primaries and make sure you get as many as possible to do so. Why is this complicated?

MrsCoffee

(5,803 posts)
53. As much as I don't like the guy, I do appreciate what he said about unity after his loss.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:23 PM
Aug 2018
https://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/08/abdul_el-sayed_vows_to_take_mo.html

Abdul El-Sayed vows to take momentum from supporters into Whitmer's race in November

"We have an opportunity," he said. "Do not walk out of here saying anything like, 'Abdul or bust.' Tomorrow, we turn around and we turn this into a movement to ... beat Bill Schuette in the fall."

pamdb

(1,332 posts)
54. El-Sayed
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:24 PM
Aug 2018

Originally, I had thought he would be a good running mate for her but after he went so negative near the end, maybe not so much.

lapucelle

(18,303 posts)
56. The real question for me
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:25 PM
Aug 2018

is whether Democratic Socialist, Justice Democrat, and Brand New Congress voters will sit out the general election in some races.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
59. I don't know him. Is he wired dissident or did he
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:33 PM
Aug 2018

just run trying to attract that vote?

Those wired dissident won't, of course. Sheeze. Some get so worked up against mainstream Democrats that they want them to lose to their Republican opponents. All view those losses as hopefully weakening the party enough that they can seize power someday.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
64. I see no valid reasons given that he wouldn't.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:54 PM
Aug 2018

And as he came out first thing this morning asking his supporters to throw their weight of support behind Whitmer, I'll presume that's the course of action decided upon until it's not.

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