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What Does Gates Having Affairs Have To Do With The Charges Against..... (Original Post) global1 Aug 2018 OP
The defense is trying to impugn the character of an embezzler. shraby Aug 2018 #1
Which is a problem. Calista241 Aug 2018 #12
You're wrong. GeorgeGist Aug 2018 #13
only that if the DOJ or FBI asked him to detail his extra marital affairs lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #2
They are following the money. cutroot Aug 2018 #3
He gave boatloads of money he stole to his mistress mucifer Aug 2018 #4
Someone pointed out corrupt crooks don't hang out with upstanding moral citizens. yallerdawg Aug 2018 #5
Character. nt NCTraveler Aug 2018 #6
Yet Judge WackyBird's defenders here justify his throwing out chunks of the prosecution's case UTUSN Aug 2018 #7
Apparently, Judge Ellis gave the defense the green light. oasis Aug 2018 #8
Looks like they opened the door to probe Manafelt. Kingofalldems Aug 2018 #9
Credibility of the witness zipplewrath Aug 2018 #10
Gates had an affair. So what? PJMcK Aug 2018 #11
Manafort's affair is going to be talked about too, apparently muriel_volestrangler Aug 2018 #15
Yeah, because matt819 Aug 2018 #14

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
12. Which is a problem.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:36 PM
Aug 2018

If the jury doesn't believe what Gates is saying, then Mueller's case is in real trouble. Even the judge pointed out obvious lies Gates has been responsible for in the past.

Maybe I'm a little jaded, but my opinion is that Gates has not come across as a reliable witness, and this is a big problem for us. I hope I'm wrong.

lapfog_1

(29,218 posts)
2. only that if the DOJ or FBI asked him to detail his extra marital affairs
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:02 PM
Aug 2018

and he wasn't completely forthcoming... it could be evidence that he lied after getting immunity.

That voids his immunity deal and could make the rest of his testimony suspect.

Fortunately the case against Manafort is based almost entirely on document evidence... not the testimony of Gates or any other person.

mucifer

(23,558 posts)
4. He gave boatloads of money he stole to his mistress
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:10 PM
Aug 2018

So the defense is pointing out that he is a scumbag. The thing is there is a paper trail to support the things he is saying against manafort in his testimony.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. Someone pointed out corrupt crooks don't hang out with upstanding moral citizens.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:11 PM
Aug 2018

If everyone around you is corrupt and immoral, and you're the one common denominator - well, maybe all our exes have a point.

oasis

(49,398 posts)
8. Apparently, Judge Ellis gave the defense the green light.
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:15 PM
Aug 2018

He only want to hamper the prosecution's case.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
10. Credibility of the witness
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:24 PM
Aug 2018

The defense is allowed to suggest that the witness is not credible and should not be believed. "He'll lie to his wife so why would you not think he'd lie to the jury?".

From my point of view, the best response is that if he lies here, he loses his deal with the prosecution, with whom he has already plead guilty. The wife didn't have that kind of clout. And the prosecution can check his testimony against a rather large amount of actual data and emails.

PJMcK

(22,040 posts)
11. Gates had an affair. So what?
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 01:31 PM
Aug 2018

Lots of people have affairs. Paul Manafort was having an affair. Donald Trump has had many affairs that he's bragged about. Bill Clinton had affairs. Who cares?

Gates is but one small piece of the case against Manafort. It's pretty weak sauce to say he's not credible because he admitted to an affair. In my view, his admission makes him more credible as a witness. Additionally, his significant testimony about the business and financial dealings he had with Manafort are all backed up by documentation.

Gates' credibility shouldn't be a problem. Manafort simply has no defense so they're reaching for any straw.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,347 posts)
15. Manafort's affair is going to be talked about too, apparently
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 03:59 PM
Aug 2018

To indicate he's the type to lie and cover up, I guess (and perhaps why he needed even more money). And if the prosecution will use that against the accused, I suppose they have to say it can be brought up about prosecution witnesses too.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
14. Yeah, because
Wed Aug 8, 2018, 02:22 PM
Aug 2018

Stealing millions and defrauding the government just doesn’t enough poor character. But affairs? OMG!

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