I posted that "it's now close enough for the GOP to steal it"

Pretty sure I was right.

We knew it was going to happen!

EW

are not yet tallied, provisionals. By law, these cannot be reported until August 18.

Surely most already heard this last night, so what's changed except the source?

No one should be listening to known liars and RT agents like Thom Hartmann. And a quick google would have revealed no reputable source is putting this spin on this at this point.

Once again, we are not damned trumpsters. We are the smart, principled ones.

santamariatimes.com/news/national/govt-and-politics/the-latest-votes-outstanding-in-ohio-special-election/article_5b4ffce5-dbbd-509b-ad76-6eeefcea13a0.html

Which manipulative creeps like Hartmann know very well. It's in Subversive Propaganda Techniques for Dummies.

We really, really need to routinely google confirmatory sources for new information, before even reading past a headline if names of known agitprop agents like Thom Hartmann's show up.

I don't know what happened to those ballots.

Here is an article from today: https://www.wsj.com/articles/uncounted-ballots-to-decide-critical-ohio-kansas-races-1533744030

Ballots Palast was referring to?

Greg Palast is a conspiracy theorist. His claims always end up being nonsense.

Anything you say Mr. Bush.

So, the Inter State Voter Registration Cross Check Program is a hoax?
The massive voter rolls purges are , what, a hoax, false news?
You DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE F you are talking about

I agree that I wouldn't be too quick to jump on Greg Palast's little red wagon either.

Articles in Rolling Stone, The Guardian, and follow up articles by scores of others in the major papers. Or you can believe Putin and his Republican mercenaries.

ballots

California counts ALL their ballots


https://www.gregpalast.com/bernie-won-california-official-un-count/

RIOTS IN THE STREET OF THIS DISTRICT!!!!!!!

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someone should file a foia or something to examine these ballots, examine the voters voting record, and talk to the voters about what happened at the polls.

evidence hiding in plain sight.

Just like the ones in Alabama with Don Siegelman.

We are always getting screwed.

I think it was in the entire district.

n/t

.... and at least from the O.P., Palast's statements are pure bullshit.

I'm happy to hear that it's not true from someone who knows.

No more electronic touch screens and no more black box tabulators.

where the vote is then digitized & can be manipulated. We need paper ballots counted by human beings.

The point is to have the paper ballot so that someone ELSE can go back and recount or audit as necessary.

We are capable of getting it right until digital systems are cheat proof.

With tabulators, they can tally the count, figure how many votes they need to flip to take the count outside the margin of a recall. Sure humans are fallible, but with black box tabulators, vote tampering can be done with surgical precision.

I suggest something, tell everyone you know who votes third party that they are mutilating their own gonads. Things won't change until republicans are voted out of office massively.

Third party voters aren't the problem. The non-voters are.

And what do you know, in a high population Moderate GOP district (Johnson County) there was a last minute glitch.

$10 million for Johnson County, KS' new touchscreen voting systems that failed today and are taking forever to report their unverifiable barcoded results tonight. Chosen by the guy appointed by Kris Kobach to run JoCo elections, btw.

Link to tweet

None of this surprises me. The CONS proved years ago that the only way they know they can win is if they cheat. Exhibit A: bush/cheney and the stolen elections. REEKED of conflict-of-interest. The Florida state party chair for the GOP in the 2000 election season just happened to be the Florida Secretary of State. Then, again in 2004, same thing, only this time it was republi-CON Kenneth Blackwell with those same two key election-related jobs in Ohio.

The tweet and headline are completely slanted and misleading.

This is NOT an example of a stolen election. Provisional ballots won't be counted for another week.

Perhaps you should ask why a bunch of radio hosts figured out this "scandal" but Danny O'Connor didn't?

Sometimes, you just don't win elections. O'Conner ran a magnificent campaign.

I don't know how they can be counted in another week. This will take some time for them to prove their eligibility and then be counted. Plenty of time for more Republican shenanigans which is what's being pointed out.

Given the neighborhoods where this has taken place it should be a Democratic win. I'm hoping for the best but fear the worst as that's how Republicans excel.

They have to contact the provisionals and give them time to verify their eligibility. A week is way optimistic.

... is to have people complain cause there's no exit polling for them.

Of course people wont complain if they think they're going to have their ballots counted !!!

These are not just run of the mill radio hosts. These are people who have actively devoted their lives to fighting election manipulation and attacks on election integrity. They do know what they are talking about.
And yes, evidently, the Ohio Constitution states that provisional ballots must wait 10 days to be counted.
But if there are problems with ballots, besides provisional ballots, chances are, based on Ohio's history, they will not be handled in a transparent fashion.
In the mainstream, traditional Political Party "philosophy", there is still the fear of being labeled CT paranoids for complaining and fighting back against Election and ballot manipulation.

Most mainstream Dems will not and are not aware of massive ballot disappearances, Ohio SoS Husted's blatant attacks on Election Integrity, his massive voter rolls purging.
Bob Fitrakis has, since 2000, investigated and documented the significant election manipulation in Ohio. Court orders to preserve ballots are ignored, ballots "disappear", every attempt to investigate election tampering is thwarted, Ohio elections are corrupt beyond imagination.
And, our side,...…

I happen to know some of these past candidates, as well as ODP leadership. I'll go with their judgement.

of the Brooks Brothers Riot stopping the recount
The election was corrupted

As long as the voting machines are easily hacked, with no paper trail, and made by corporations that favor republicans.

Or anywhere else for that matter. It's a Republican and Russian talking point. So don't fall for it yourself and don't spread it here, either. It's only reason for being spread is to cause people give up and not vote and that's not what DU is about.

It's the truth. And it's why we need to turn out in greater numbers than ever. Putting blinders on and thinking it's all going to work out isn't going to help matters.

It's really funny that Russia has infiltrated many of our voting systems, that the districts have been gerrymandered so much as to shut Democrats out of many areas, that voting machines aren't working properly, etc., etc. Nothing to see here.

Repukes OWN this state, have gerrymandered it into a series of slithering snakes, and always have THEIR SOS in charge of voting. Remember, in Ohio its not how the votes are cast, but how they are counted. And these pukes just ask one question: "How many more do we need!"

A precinct in Franklin County had 10,000 voters?

Most all of the minority precincts in Franklin County were
gerrymandered out the 12th district.

From 2016
Thousands of Absentee and Provisional Ballots Will be Tossed Out. Here's Why, and How to Avoid It


https://www.clevescene.com/cleveland/thousands-of-absentee-and-provisional-ballots-will-be-tossed-out-next-month-heres-why-and-how-to-avoid-it/Content?oid=4971987

voter suppression in minority communities, again?

Out right cheating has worked so well for them in the past.

Gerrymandering districts is a particularly effective form of cheating, and the GOP has turned it into an art form. Hells Bells even when they over reach and some judge somewhere says something about it, Republicans sue, stall, wait, until the fuss dies down but NOTHING IS EVER DONE ABOUT IT.

Kicking Demorats off the voting rolls, especially minority voters, is just business as usual. An article here or there is written but I notice NOT A DAMN THING CHANGES. And every election cycle I read where thousands of Democratic voters were mistakenly removed from the voting rolls. Oh shoot and awe shucks we'll fix it for next time but no you can't vote today.

Hell Republicans actually got the US Supreme Court to order that the COUNTING OF VOTES BE STOPPED IN FLORIDA IN MID-COUNT while Bush was ahead by 800 votes. My God legally cast votes WEREN'T EVEN COUNTED IN A UNITED STATES PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.

I've read a thousand articles and watched a thousand more YouTube videos showing how f*cking easy it is to hack, alter, flip, and change the electronic vote machines, software, and vote tallies. BUT NOTHING EVER CHANGES, THERE'S STILL NO PAPER TRAIL, AND MORE E -VOTING TAKES PLACE EVERY ELECTION.

Knowing Republicans like you do, do you really think they wouldn't stoop to hacking the vote if they could?

So of course they cheat as much as they can. They cheat for the same reason Donald Trump lies. They face no consequences, but are rewarded bigly for doing it.

I joined DU in 1995, right after GWB stole the 1994 election from Al Gore. And I was here when Kerry got the presidency stolen from him. Here we are, 22 years later and it's STILL happening! We still don't have paper trails, our voting machines are still insecure, gerrymandering is still going strong, and now we have the added assault on our elections from Russian attacks via social media and hacking the voter rolls and machines.

Little to nothing is being done to counter this. In fact, just the opposite as evidenced by the Republicans refusing to renew funding for election security and not holding Russia responsible for what they did in the 2016 election. At this point, we need to turn up and vote in HUGE numbers in order to counter all of this. And each of us needs to be responsible for double-checking to make sure we're still on the voter rolls so we don't end up having to use a provisional ballot. And dammit, we need to force the Democratic politicians to focus on ensuring election integrity when they win back the House & Senate in November!

really?

I don't know how I did it, but I got the year wrong since GWB was elected in 2001, which means I've actually been a member for 17 years, not 22. That's what I get for multi-tasking while posting!

If this keeps happening and Congress won't act, then it's up to a court order and the rest of the world to assist the American People as we have in countless other occasions in 250 or so years. The American People need a Delegation to the UN to request it.

We had some here in 2016, not sure for these special elections though. Some states ban or heavily restrict them. Other states explicitly allow them, and some have no laws regarding them. The States run elections so it's up to them.

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First off, spoiled ballots aren't counted, because ... they are spoiled, and the voter casts another ballot in their place.

Second, there were a total of roughly 200,000 votes counted in that race in Franklin County- very hard to envision that there would be 1 provisional or absentee ballot for every 20 that was submitted during that day.

I have worked a poll for a decade now, average turnout probably around 300 voters an election, we literally have never had a provisional ballot cast in our precinct during that time - you can count on one hand the total number of provisionals an average election our county. We probably get five or so absentee ballots an election.

which makes the claim that there were 10,000 provisional/spoiled ballots in that one county even more unlikely.

There are published figures for the number of absentee and provisional ballots by county. In Franklin County there are 1091 absentee ballots and 1349 provisional ballots. In the next largest county, Delaware, there are 1207 absentee ballots and 1080 provisional ballots. And in the third largest county, there are 1755 absentee ballots and 603 provisional ballots. With respect to the votes counted thus far, Franklin went for O'Connor by around 65-35, while Delaware went for Balderson by around 54-46. The remaining counties went for Balderson by around 60-40 (rough estimate).

Why doesn't the media hold academic "experts" accountable and make them factor in election fraud when trying to explain results according to "the mood of the voters" and "the effectiveness of the politician's message."

I will be writing PBS newshour to strongly urge them to interview Greg Palast on the air. I will also strongly urge them to interview a panel of Secretaries of State versus Computer Experts with the hope that the Computer Experts will explain how vulnerable and corrupt our proprietary (and nonproprietary) computerized voting systems are and perhaps shame the SOS's into conceding that they should decertify the machines.

Maybe Sherrod Brown could file a lawsuit on this......................this is bull shit................

+9,990 disenfranchised voters.........

That tweet isn't evidence. Moreover, as others have pointed out, it reflects bad information.

...Put the shitty inaccurate machines in places where you don't want to count all the votes. This is the real fraud that ocurred in Florida 2000. Republican precincts got highly accurate optical scan machines, and the democratic precincts got inaccurate punch card ballots with hanging chads and whatnot. The republicans know this... The election fraud starts with the budgeting process in the republican state legislatures.

...you don't count spoiled ballots.

And we take it.

What fun would that be?

since politicians are afraid, one famous athlete could point out that pro and college teams shouldn't be broadcasting on trump/kkk-lite talk radio stations

as soon as one school or pro team says they're going to look for apolitical radio stations others will have to follow and the advertising industry will have to adjust - so the only advertisers left will be trump fans

that will kill the gop and trump's most important media ally - limbaugh

Democrats look like whiners.

We play fair, their credo normally is the ends justify the means. They have been caught before jettisoning ballots. Most of us recall republican thug mobs doing everything they could to stop the recount in Florida in 2000. Then filing for relief from the Supremes then getting a 5-4 decision to stop the legal recount because it would cause harm, not to the USA but to George Bush.

So I trust Palast more than I trust the GOP....them being totally unscrupulous.

And I have done voter/election protection work in Franklin County for years.

Franklin County had a total of over 71,000 votes and 1/7 of them were spoiled or
not counted? BTW spoiled votes are just that spoiled and they are not counted.