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Breaking: Defense rests in Manafort case w/o calling any witnesses! (Original Post) mobeau69 Aug 2018 OP
This is actually very strange. lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #1
It's the legal equivalent of the Hail Mary. nt mobeau69 Aug 2018 #2
They know a pardon is on the way. FSogol Aug 2018 #8
I've felt that for a long time Jarqui Aug 2018 #16
Even better Manafort will have his sentence commuted like Bush did with Libby uponit7771 Aug 2018 #17
It happens occasionally. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #4
Not that strange. I was on a jury where the defense called no witnesses. VMA131Marine Aug 2018 #7
Not uncommon in criminal trials Recursion Aug 2018 #9
wasn't suggesting that they put Manafort on the stand. lapfog_1 Aug 2018 #12
Don't celebrate yet. There is a motion for a mistrial that hasn't been ruled on yet. berni_mccoy Aug 2018 #3
They're going all in on their closing argument. mobeau69 Aug 2018 #6
Motion for a mistrail, motion to dismiss, motion for a directed verdict of not guilty VMA131Marine Aug 2018 #10
Can Red Don commute Manaforts sentence like Bush did with Libby? Thx in advance uponit7771 Aug 2018 #18
These are federal charges, so yes, he can. VMA131Marine Aug 2018 #20
Crap uponit7771 Aug 2018 #22
They did ask for a directed verdict exboyfil Aug 2018 #5
It seems he is counting on a pardon. Phoenix61 Aug 2018 #11
Pardon from trump Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2018 #13
Perhaps Mueller is counting on that. berni_mccoy Aug 2018 #14
Don't smile until the bastard reports to prison dembotoz Aug 2018 #15
Abramson says it makes sense PoorMonger Aug 2018 #19
Did the check to his attorneys bounce or something? catbyte Aug 2018 #21

lapfog_1

(29,204 posts)
1. This is actually very strange.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:04 PM
Aug 2018

if the verdict comes back either mistrial or "not guilty on all counts"... I would start thinking that the fix is in.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
4. It happens occasionally.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:08 PM
Aug 2018

Perhaps out of hubris, perhaps out of confidence, but it is the prosecution's burden so the defense doesn't have to put on witnesses.

I think it will backfire here for Manafort, FWIW.

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
7. Not that strange. I was on a jury where the defense called no witnesses.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:13 PM
Aug 2018

We acquitted!

There is so much evidence against Manafort that the defense's only hope is to discredit enough of it by impeaching the witnesses that the whole case becomes doubtful.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. Not uncommon in criminal trials
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:19 PM
Aug 2018

There's a lot of risk in putting your defendant on the stand since it allows cross-examination

lapfog_1

(29,204 posts)
12. wasn't suggesting that they put Manafort on the stand.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:22 PM
Aug 2018

but a few witnesses to rebut the prosecution case or even a few "character" witnesses would be part of my defense strategy.

I know they are going for either jury nullification (they know someone on the jury will not vote to convict) or they plan on simply stating that the government has proved their case.

Still, I find it a bit strange.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
3. Don't celebrate yet. There is a motion for a mistrial that hasn't been ruled on yet.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:08 PM
Aug 2018

This may not go anywhere.

Plus the judge gave his opinion that he feels defense has a valid argument that because the Bank CEO was a co-conspirator that Manafort couldn't defraud the bank. Leaving it up to the jury with a stated opinion is not good for the prosecution.

mobeau69

(11,144 posts)
6. They're going all in on their closing argument.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:12 PM
Aug 2018

Government laid out a very powerful case. I think they're going to lose bigly.

VMA131Marine

(4,139 posts)
10. Motion for a mistrail, motion to dismiss, motion for a directed verdict of not guilty
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:19 PM
Aug 2018

These are standard procedural motions the defense is going to make because a/ they might get lucky and have one of them ruled in their favour and b/ because if handled improperly by the judge it gives additional grounds for an appeal. The defense does not expect to win on any of these points.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
5. They did ask for a directed verdict
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:08 PM
Aug 2018

and it was denied.


I wonder if someone has Nitti's list of jurors and payments floating around.


Talk about rolling the dice. Manafort better hope that Trump doesn't stroke out before signing that pardon.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
11. It seems he is counting on a pardon.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:20 PM
Aug 2018

Sadly, I don't believe the repubs would mind it at all. They'll just commence to stealing everything that isn't nailed down. Then confess, have charges brought, tried, and pardoned before Twitler is gone from office. Everyone wins except us.

PoorMonger

(844 posts)
19. Abramson says it makes sense
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 12:34 PM
Aug 2018

Because anything they say can be used against them in the next trial , it risks upsetting the feds, closes the door on any deal going forward, and also, there is pretty much zero defense.

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