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Comey, McCabe & now Strzok! (Original Post) imanamerican63 Aug 2018 OP
Putin wins again. Wellstone ruled Aug 2018 #1
Comey made his own bed Hav Aug 2018 #2
I get that, but he was fired just like others. imanamerican63 Aug 2018 #3
Comey, not Coney MiniMe Aug 2018 #4
Thanks! Big fingers! imanamerican63 Aug 2018 #5
I just figure that we should get those things right. MiniMe Aug 2018 #6
Strzok, like McCabe, made his own bed Azathoth Aug 2018 #7
Yes. And let's keep in mind that Strzok was already demoted Hortensis Aug 2018 #9
No, he's not. All three put themselves in position Hortensis Aug 2018 #8

Hav

(5,969 posts)
2. Comey made his own bed
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:26 PM
Aug 2018

His firing was justified by his deliberate actions that went against recommendations and norms to the disadvantage of one candidate.

Azathoth

(4,608 posts)
7. Strzok, like McCabe, made his own bed
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 05:00 PM
Aug 2018

Don't forget we have Comey and the FBI to thank for Trump in the first place.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Yes. And let's keep in mind that Strzok was already demoted
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 05:29 PM
Aug 2018

severely (!) over a year ago when he was ejected from the Mueller team.

He had headed up the FBI's counterintelligence group before he joined the Mueller investigation. So, though firing him cost us a very experienced, high-level person, it did not literally cost us the FBI's current counterintelligence head (as Rachel may have implied by telescoping history for simplicity).

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. No, he's not. All three put themselves in position
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 05:06 PM
Aug 2018

to be fired for cause. And Trump in his malice took advantage of that to oblige himself. I know how Rachel put it last night, but she was slicing gray areas back to the specific black bones she wanted to illustrate to make her point. I've heard her and others instead focus on my point before, and that is this:

If Trump had fired an honorable director and assistant director of the FBI (#1 and #2!) because they wouldn't stop the Trump-Russia investigation, our final constitutional crisis would have been triggered. But both actually needed to be fired (if not prosecuted and imprisoned), and the FBI/DoJ/OIG practices independently and together called for each to be fired.

And that is why Trump's firings of the FBI's #1 and #2 didn't trigger the crisis.

(Unlike the other two, no one's currently claiming that Strzok's actions impacted the election or the investigation, but it was also appropriate for the DoJ to fire him for cause. The severe lapses of judgement he was caught in compromised the image of the FBI, gave aid to its enemies, and ruined his own ability to be an asset to the FBI. If he was fired in part to strengthen the DoJ's position against its enemies on the right, that illustrates the extent of the damage his actions caused the FBI. It doesn't excuse them.)

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