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How can a 'president' have federal employees sign non-disclosure-agreements...? (Original Post) spanone Aug 2018 OP
I believe it's not legal, nor is it enforceable*. Hong Kong Cavalier Aug 2018 #1
The consensus of pundits is that those NDAs are not valid/legal. RockRaven Aug 2018 #2
He's an abusive jerk who doesn't want his life out in the open. Initech Aug 2018 #3
As useful and valid as non-compete agreements at work MANative Aug 2018 #4
That depends on the state. rsdsharp Aug 2018 #5
He thinks they work for him, not for the government frazzled Aug 2018 #6
This is tRump's SOP, hit them with BS MiniMe Aug 2018 #7
Sounds like the NDAs are worth as much as a Diploma from Trump University Freethinker65 Aug 2018 #8
Or one of his murielm99 Aug 2018 #9
Ha! Roland99 Aug 2018 #24
Because apparently it is no longer the people's government malaise Aug 2018 #10
Not Quite Yet!!!! We Kick him in November...then Mueller spanone Aug 2018 #11
I was penning his belief malaise Aug 2018 #14
i know...just needed a vent!!!! spanone Aug 2018 #16
I'm walking more and faster malaise Aug 2018 #17
👍🏼😎 spanone Aug 2018 #19
It's a worthless piece of paper. CanonRay Aug 2018 #12
Cause he's too stupid to understand it's worthless. But he's about to find out!!! Squinch Aug 2018 #13
Yes. He thought Ryan and O'Connell were like executives Hortensis Aug 2018 #25
That disturbed me about the secret service agents. It isn't their job to do that. Squinch Aug 2018 #29
I'm wondering if they were serving Der Leader Hortensis Aug 2018 #31
It's just bullying. He thinks it will intimidate them, and it usually will. NT enough Aug 2018 #15
It's not illegal. It's just not enforceable. EffieBlack Aug 2018 #18
There's be no books documenting the history kskiska Aug 2018 #20
It's a carryover from his previous, sleazy, failed business life. Golden Raisin Aug 2018 #21
Believe she was an appointee not an employee. pwb Aug 2018 #22
She got a salary. That makes her an employee. Ivanka didn't take a salary ehrnst Aug 2018 #27
I can't think of a reason it would be illegal to ask for an NDA. TomSlick Aug 2018 #23
NPR had an expert on this morning talking about this. ehrnst Aug 2018 #26
everyone should toss them out.. he cant sue the whole world can he? samnsara Aug 2018 #28
Everyone should smile and nod and sign them when he asks, then write a gritty telll-all book. Squinch Aug 2018 #30

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,572 posts)
1. I believe it's not legal, nor is it enforceable*.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:28 PM
Aug 2018

*I am not a legal expert in any way.

Since they don't work for him, they work for the country.

But since this all is Not Normal™, I fully expect them to find a court that says "Sure! They can totally do that!"

And if Kavanaugh gets on the Supreme Court...

RockRaven

(14,967 posts)
2. The consensus of pundits is that those NDAs are not valid/legal.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:29 PM
Aug 2018

But they might dupe some Trumpists into believing they are bound by them.

Initech

(100,076 posts)
3. He's an abusive jerk who doesn't want his life out in the open.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:31 PM
Aug 2018

Abusers always try to silence the abusees.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
4. As useful and valid as non-compete agreements at work
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:32 PM
Aug 2018

That is to say, not at all. The purpose is to intimidate.

rsdsharp

(9,177 posts)
5. That depends on the state.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:37 PM
Aug 2018

Non compete agreements are valid and enforceable in my state so long as they are reasonable in terms of time and geographic limitations.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
6. He thinks they work for him, not for the government
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:44 PM
Aug 2018

Indeed, he doesn’t understand that HE works for the government. He thinks this is the private family business. It’s always about him.

The NDAs aren’t worth the paper they’re written on.

MiniMe

(21,716 posts)
7. This is tRump's SOP, hit them with BS
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:45 PM
Aug 2018

You need a lot of $$$ to fight against tRump lawsuits, that is why so many on them are successful

malaise

(269,003 posts)
10. Because apparently it is no longer the people's government
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:53 PM
Aug 2018

Don the Con, Emperor of the Holy Moran Empire.

spanone

(135,833 posts)
11. Not Quite Yet!!!! We Kick him in November...then Mueller
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:55 PM
Aug 2018

He's Shaking in his shoes......about to blow

malaise

(269,003 posts)
17. I'm walking more and faster
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 05:14 PM
Aug 2018

I even learned how to do planking - great work out to de-stress from this lunacy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Yes. He thought Ryan and O'Connell were like executives
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:31 AM
Aug 2018

in his authoritarian corporation. Of course, the Republican caucus is full of authoritarian followers who did fit themselves to the role he demanded of them, Constitution be damned.

Someone on Joe this morning said Trump's very fragile emotionally and told an anecdote about how Secret Service agents (!) were encouraging guests at a country club to schmooze Trump up when he came in, acting as fluffers as he put it. (Unless that word has a second meaning, it must have slipped out on this morning show.)

Even a halfway honest book by any of those agents is one I'll be reading. Wonder if they ever speculate about wrestling the football from him...

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
29. That disturbed me about the secret service agents. It isn't their job to do that.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 07:18 AM
Aug 2018

We pay them to keep him from getting killed, not to help prop up his delusional world.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. I'm wondering if they were serving Der Leader
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:12 AM
Aug 2018

in this inappropriate way because, like some congressmen who are natural authoritarian followers, they'd conformed to roles he expected of them.

Or if they had adopted of necessity a role of protecting the mental stability and balance of a president who alarmed them.

Or both?

Perceived necessity seems more likely to me, but it also seems possible that Trump could have styled who's on his detail over time to suit his authoritarian demands, the way he's styled his cabinet...

As you say, disturbing.

Golden Raisin

(4,608 posts)
21. It's a carryover from his previous, sleazy, failed business life.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 06:03 PM
Aug 2018

As a person and a supposedly successful "business executive" he has always been obsessed with employee loyalty (to him!) and his inner clock is set to "mistrust" as his default.

pwb

(11,267 posts)
22. Believe she was an appointee not an employee.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 06:09 PM
Aug 2018

Appointments may be different, they serve at the will of the president

Employees are civil servants and protected but with this guy who nows?

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
27. She got a salary. That makes her an employee. Ivanka didn't take a salary
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:47 AM
Aug 2018

and therefore was exempt from the ethical guidelines for federal employees.

And Kellyanne, who was an appointee, was also under scrutiny for violating ethical guidelines for federal employees for hawking Ivanka's jewelry during an interview with her, when she was speaking for the White House.

Edited to add: Presidential appointees are considered federal employees:

https://www.oge.gov/Web/oge.nsf/Resources/Political+Appointees

TomSlick

(11,098 posts)
23. I can't think of a reason it would be illegal to ask for an NDA.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:27 PM
Aug 2018

However, I don't think it would be enforceable. Presidential appointees serve at the pleasure of the President but are not the President's employees. I can't see that an NDA can silence a government employee from whistle-blowing. The employees duty lies with the government and not the President.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
26. NPR had an expert on this morning talking about this.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 07:42 AM
Aug 2018

Basically said that the only "non-disclosure agreements" that Federal employees sign is if they have access to classified information, and it covers classified information only.

Their first amendment rights apply to all that is not classified.

So, Sarah Huckabee Sanders was again lying when she said that the NDA that Drumpf had everyone sign was "common."

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
28. everyone should toss them out.. he cant sue the whole world can he?
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 09:29 AM
Aug 2018

..maybe this is why we dont hear a peep from childhood friends or relatives...

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