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jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 04:42 PM Aug 2018

I don't think Trump will pardon Manafort

We know Trump likes people who don't get caught, which Manafort did. Trump doesn't accept failure in his associates. (Sons-in-law who overextend themselves in the real estate market are a different story.)

But more importantly, by not pardoning Manafort it sends a clear signal that he had nothing to do with all the crimes being committed in his administration, and the people who committed them are in jail where they belong.

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leftieNanner

(15,100 posts)
1. Agreed
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 05:00 PM
Aug 2018

Especially since this first trial is about money laundering and tax evasion. It technically doesn't have anything to do with Trump.

 
2. Disagree
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 05:12 PM
Aug 2018

Nobody can understand why Manafort is letting these trials go ahead, even with the realization he'll likely spend the rest of his life behind bars. Some say he's afraid of the Russians, so he'll keep quiet forever.

I think he knows that a pardon will eventually come his way, and he's just biding his time until then.

I just can't see a guy used to wearing $15K watches, and playing with $15K Karaoke machines, being content to live out his days behind bars.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
4. He was probably told, "it's prison or death."
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 05:39 PM
Aug 2018

The Russians have a film of the execution of Oleg Penkovsky (the only Soviet GRU officer to ever be executed), and apparently it's pretty horrific: they dressed him in a fine suit, tied him to a stretcher with baling wire, then put him up on the entry shelf of a cremator. They pushed him far enough in to burn the bottoms of his shoes off before pulling him out and propping him up against the wall facing the cremator while an honored GRU officer who had recently died was cremated. Once the honored officer's cremation was finished, they put Penkovsky into the machine and cremated him alive.

They show the movie to all new GRU officers to reinforce the need for loyalty.

They very well could have taken Manafort into a little room, played the tape for him, and told him something like, "you are the sacrificial lamb. If you don't go along, this will happen to you."

 
11. Gates Was Not At THE Meeting
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:16 PM
Aug 2018

He was apparently at a pre-meeting, but not the main one with the Russian contingent.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
14. But would Manafort be offered a deal regarding an unrelated case?
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:54 PM
Aug 2018

This current trial doesn't technically have anything to do with that meeting or Russia or Trump. I'm no legal expert, so I don't know if a plea deal in this case could have been offered in exchange for information about an unrelated matter.

Maybe Gates and others have offered up enough information that it wasn't worth offering a deal to Manafort. I don't know.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
3. He can pardon him and then NY will put him on trial for NY tax evasion.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 05:15 PM
Aug 2018

He'll be screwed no matter what.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
6. Cheeto doesn't treat his former employees well, and they all know it
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 06:33 PM
Aug 2018


Manafort never made it to the White House, but there's truth in this cartoon.
This should probably say "The Five Stages of Working for Donald Trump."

Just sayin'

The empressof all

(29,098 posts)
5. He will wait until after Manaforts next trial...at least.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 06:16 PM
Aug 2018

In addition, Those around him will most certainly try to stave off any stupidity like this at least until after the election in November. If they manage to maintain the House they will believe they have tacit permission to do whatever they want.

 
13. No Way He Gets Pardoned Prior To Election
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:19 PM
Aug 2018

It would be after the next trial, which probably will go longer, and obviously it won't be until after the election.

marked50

(1,366 posts)
10. I would disagree with the point he likes those who don't get caught as a reason
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:59 PM
Aug 2018

that he would not pardon Manafort. That would not agree with his pardons of Arapio or D'Souza.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
12. Trump likes to exercise power. He has the power to pardon.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 10:18 PM
Aug 2018

Just like his power with tariffs. If it is there, he will use it, because he really wants to be king.

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