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TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 06:24 PM Aug 2018

My Two Cents on The Nancy Pelosi Wedge Issue. Should She Stay or Go?

In the 1970s, Lee Atwater coined the term 'wedge and magnet' issues to describe issues that divide Democrats and unite Republicans. And Republicans have been successfully hammering away at those issues ever since. So successfully in fact, that the United States has become virtually ungovernable. Congratulations, Republicans. If your goal was to win government, and hold semi-permanent control over an ungovernable country, you've succeeded brilliantly! You now control the government of a country that's so paralyzed over gun control and gay marriage, that it can't even act to prevent Vladimir Putin from choosing our leaders.

Nancy Pelosi seems to be the latest issue that divides Democrats while uniting Republicans, and they're using it to full advantage.


Here's my two cents on it.

On the one hand, Pelosi is and always has been a superb leader, and an expert fundraiser. On the other hand, people get tired of the same old faces, and people have definitely gone off PROFESSIONAL politicians. (We want to excite millennials? Well, not only has Pelosi been in government since before they were born...she's been in government since before their PARENTS were born.)

If you want to hold on to Pelosi, do it because you think there are no Democrats in Congress who could do a better job (and who are INTERESTED in the job, of course). Last time around, the only challenger was Tim Ryan, and (IMHO) there is no question that Pelosi would do a better job. However, if more people challenge her in the future, that should be ENCOURAGED, not discouraged. And then the House members can decide, among MANY alternatives, if any of them would do a better job.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but there are 193 Democrats in the House. Are we saying that, out of 193 Representatives, NOT ONE of them could do an as good or better job than Pelosi? If so, that's a pretty sad comment on the Democratic Party talent pool.

And if one of Pelosi's main selling points is that she's a woman (a legitimate point), there are 62 Democratic women in the House. Again, are we saying that out of 62 female Representatives, NOT ONE could do as well or better than Pelosi? Again, if true, that's a really sad comment on the Democratic Party talent pool. But I don't believe it is true.

Bottom line: keep Pelosi if you think there's nobody who can do a better job. But DON'T keep Pelosi just because the GOP is "Tripple dog daring you" to keep her. I'm already seeing the wedge and magnet in play. There are too many people who are instinctively defending Pelosi just because Republicans are attacking her. And that's not a reason to elect somebody as Party leader.

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hlthe2b

(102,276 posts)
1. Your vote is in November. The House leadership votes are shortly before the speakership vote
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 06:31 PM
Aug 2018

in January on the first day of the new Congress. You and I have no say in those votes. So, time to accept that and concentrate on what where we CAN make a difference--that November vote.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
4. She hasn't been in government since before many of them were born
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 07:10 PM
Aug 2018

and certainly not since the parents were born. She was elected to Congress, her first government job, in 1987. Millennials run from the early 1980's to 2000. Maybe some of the ones born in 1999 and 2000 had parents born in 1987 but not many. In short, you are just flat out wrong. In point of fact some of them were born before her term in government and most were at most toddlers.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
9. You're right. It might have been more accurate for me to say...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 04:25 AM
Aug 2018

...to say she's been a POLITICIAN since before most of their parents were born. She was first elected to the DNC in 1976. I'm not a know-nothing luddite. I value experience, and think it's needed. But I do think it's necessary to bring in new blood from time to time, and the entire Democratic Party front bench is in their 70s. Elizabeth Warren is the spring chicken of the group at 69. Pelosi is 78 years old, and has spent 42 of those years as a politician.

dansolo

(5,376 posts)
5. Fine, then name some
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:43 PM
Aug 2018

Put up or shut up. If you believe that there are members of Congress who can do a better job than Nancy, then why don't start proposing some names. If you can't come up with anyone, then why are you bringing this up?

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
10. As I said, it depends if they're interested. But if you just want my list of names...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 04:26 AM
Aug 2018

my 'dream team' slate of candidates would be as follows:

Elijah Cummings
Diana DeGette
John Lewis
Adam Schiff
Kathleen Rice
Jarrold Nadler
Jim Himes
Kathy Castor

Sparkly

(24,149 posts)
6. It's not all about "talent," though.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:50 PM
Aug 2018

It's about personal connections and knowledge about each individual Democrat and their constituencies past, present and future.

It's about knowing who can be persuaded how, who to prioritize as a hold-out if there is a safe margin (for their positions locally) and how to work it out.

It's about having the trust of a lot of people in and out of the House.

We have an expert. Why is now the time to ask for "change?"

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
11. The prospect of "change" is what got Obama elected. Trump, too, sadly.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 04:32 AM
Aug 2018

Whenever a sports team is on a loosing streak, the first thing they do is fire the coach. Nine times out of ten, the loosing streak had nothing to do with the coach. It's the players that make the difference. But a fresh face gives the fans hope, and (more importantly) a reason to show up for the games. (Sorry to use a stupid sporting analogy, but it's accurate.)

But I agree with what you said about it having to do with more than just 'talent' etc. There are a lot of factors to be considered, including people skills.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. There is nothing new about them using Pelosi like this.
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:52 PM
Aug 2018

Like Clinton, they have invested billions over the years on this.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,234 posts)
8. I trust Nancy's colleagues to make that decision. I don't trust the motives of her opponents...
Tue Aug 14, 2018, 08:54 PM
Aug 2018

whether they come from the far left or the far right.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
12. I'm not opposed to someone replacing Pelosi in spite of her valuable experience, so long as...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 05:22 AM
Aug 2018

...that someone isn't from the "identity politics is bad" camp (like Tim Ryan). And I'm afraid that's going to be the alternative, in which case I'll stick with Pelosi and her experience.

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