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kentuck

(111,095 posts)
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:14 PM Aug 2018

I think I now know why Trump hates John McCain so much?

In this video, Bill Browder talks about the Sergei Magnitsky and how Vladimir Putin had his goons murder him in prison and how he, Browder, was now the number one enemy of Vladimir Putin. He talked about how he lobbied the US Congress to pass the Magnitsky Act, which cracked down on the movement of money into America by numerous oligarchs in Russia, primarily thru money laundering. It had become his mission in life. He said the two sponsors of the bill in the US Senate were Ben Cardin and John McCain.

If Vladimir Putin hates the Magnitsky Act, then he must hate the Senators that sponsored the bill, also? And if Putin hates them, then Donald Trump must hate them also.

Is that too much of a stretch?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=930&v=BT254smRufA

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I think I now know why Trump hates John McCain so much? (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2018 OP
Also, I think McCain had a first copy of the Steele doc, and he Ilsa Aug 2018 #1
It's much, much more than that. The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #2
Before McCain's late night vote to save Obamacare... kentuck Aug 2018 #4
Good thinking! And why is our modern fuher attacking our allies? GusBob Aug 2018 #3
putin absolutely hates mccain, that's why AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #5
Hi Kentuck You are right...back from the move from hell and a vacation! Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #6
:-)__-% kentuck Aug 2018 #9
I swear this site keeps me sane in the Trump age. Demsrule86 Aug 2018 #23
McCain married a wealthy woman, whereas Trump didn't. Bluepinky Aug 2018 #7
How did McCain become ill? Natural causes? DemocracyMouse Aug 2018 #8
That question has crossed my mind. defacto7 Aug 2018 #10
His form of brain cancer, glioblastoma, summer_in_TX Aug 2018 #12
The McCains Adopted a Girl from Bangladesh Leith Aug 2018 #16
I remember that, that was a disgusting smear campaign started by Karl Rove during George W Bush's Bluepinky Aug 2018 #24
he hates McCain because he is jealous of him for many reasons JI7 Aug 2018 #11
Read his book "Red Notice"... it explains a lot of the history behind this insane time. bsiebs Aug 2018 #13
great read. Hamlette Aug 2018 #15
Trump's distain for McCain is more visceral. Like his hatred of Obama. Hamlette Aug 2018 #14
No. Not too much ofa stretch although we need more evidence. It is just a theory. Sophia4 Aug 2018 #17
I think it's a stretch. JohnnyRingo Aug 2018 #18
I also think the McCain hate is simply about moving the Overton window. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #19
except the attacks on conservatives like McCain are one of the things which make them look crazy and JI7 Aug 2018 #20
To many of us, yes. But not to everyone. The strategy may ultimately fail, but... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #21
Trump hates John McCain because he is everything Trump is not. First of all he's a real man. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 2018 #22

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
2. It's much, much more than that.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:19 PM
Aug 2018

Remember, McCain has often criticized and opposed Trump on a variety of issues, and Trump can't stand that. And McCain is an actual war hero, respected by many people on both sides of the political spectrum, while Trump is, well... not even close. I'm sure he's very jealous of McCain's reputation and the respect he commands. His sponsorship of the Magnitsky Act is only part of it - one factor but not anywhere near all of the explanation for Trump's animosity.

kentuck

(111,095 posts)
4. Before McCain's late night vote to save Obamacare...
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:34 PM
Aug 2018

...which really pissed Trump off, I recall the comment trump had made during the campaign about how he liked his heroes that had not been captured? I thought that was a little odd, as well as very cruel, at the time.

GusBob

(7,286 posts)
3. Good thinking! And why is our modern fuher attacking our allies?
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:31 PM
Aug 2018

Many other countries have their own version of the Mag. Act

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
5. putin absolutely hates mccain, that's why
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 10:37 PM
Aug 2018

he is a pariah for altright. they all rejoice and cant wait till he dies.

Bluepinky

(2,268 posts)
7. McCain married a wealthy woman, whereas Trump didn't.
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 11:00 PM
Aug 2018

And McCain adopted a black child, which Trump could never understand.

summer_in_TX

(2,738 posts)
12. His form of brain cancer, glioblastoma,
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 12:40 AM
Aug 2018

is the same that killed Ted Kennedy. Some believe it may be linked to cell phone use.

A friend of mine passed away from it a couple of years ago.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
16. The McCains Adopted a Girl from Bangladesh
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 12:46 AM
Aug 2018

It was a rethug push poll that said that he had (not adopted, had) a black child. It was a blatant attempt at using rethug bigotry against one of their own candidates.

Bluepinky

(2,268 posts)
24. I remember that, that was a disgusting smear campaign started by Karl Rove during George W Bush's
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 10:47 AM
Aug 2018

presidential campaign.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
14. Trump's distain for McCain is more visceral. Like his hatred of Obama.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 12:41 AM
Aug 2018

It is part of his bottomless insecurity. He knows they are better than heis and it drives him nuts, so he has to cut them down to his size.

92 Senators voted for the Magnitsky Act. Can't just be McCain.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
17. No. Not too much ofa stretch although we need more evidence. It is just a theory.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 12:47 AM
Aug 2018

It makes sense and deserves more research and investigation.

JohnnyRingo

(18,632 posts)
18. I think it's a stretch.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 12:50 AM
Aug 2018

I believe it's much more simple than that. John McCain not only didn't support MAGA, he spoke out against Trump during the campaign.

Do not underestimate the sheer pettiness of DJT to hold a grudge.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
19. I also think the McCain hate is simply about moving the Overton window.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 01:16 AM
Aug 2018

We already live in a society that is insane enough to consider McCain to be a "moderate." In the public consciousness, McCain is the epitome of the increasingly small group of relatively sane Republicans.

By attacking McCain's image, the increasingly batshit crazy Republican Party hopes to seem less crazy and more mainstream.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
20. except the attacks on conservatives like McCain are one of the things which make them look crazy and
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 01:21 AM
Aug 2018

outside of the mainstream.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
21. To many of us, yes. But not to everyone. The strategy may ultimately fail, but...
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 01:39 AM
Aug 2018

...I can't deny that they've had some success moving the Overton window in recent years. The mere fact that McCain is widely considered a "moderate" is proof of this.

22. Trump hates John McCain because he is everything Trump is not. First of all he's a real man.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:39 AM
Aug 2018

McCain is not a product of his own hype, of telephone calls to newspapers using pseudonyms, of dictated reports of his physical condition (even to a Navy physician!), of reality television where the decisions to fire a contestant were made by the producers. McCain has always placed country before self, and suffered for that decision by spending five and a half years in the Hanoi Hilton.

Trump's doctor said he had bone spurs.

McCain demonstrates more courage and integrity in a day that Trump has in an entire life. McCain's life is not summarized by "the art of the deal," or art of the steal, to hear Trump's contractors tell it. His life is summarized by service to his constituents and country, and to the same Constitution Trump swore an oath to defend and protect, but has consistently demonstrated no intention of honoring.

In fact, whereas "honor" would appear at the top of a list of McCain's characteristics, it wouldn't make the top 1,000 of Trump's, if it appeared on the list at all.

McCain admits his failures -- he says the ending of his first marriage is his biggest regret -- but Donnie Two Scoops knows he is practically perfect in every way, and knows more about every subject than anyone who has studied for years.

Trump hates John McCain because he knows that standing next to him he appears small and weak.

Trump hates John McCain because he hates everyone except Ivanka -- and even that may change if she keeps disagreeing with her father's policies, such as the one to separate mothers from their children.

Basically, Trump hates everyone who is not him, and he's not sure of himself.

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