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kentuck

(111,097 posts)
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:18 AM Aug 2018

Do you think John Brennan went "over the line" with his criticism of Trump?

Back in late July, after the traitorous appearance with Vladimir Putin in Helsinki, Brennan called it "treasonous". Was that over the line?

Trump cannot fire him. He is a private citizen, no different from you and I. How many folks on DU have called Trump's actions "treasonous"? Quite a few, I would imagine.

Trump told the WSJ that he revoked the security clearance of Brennan because of his participation in the "Russia thing". Very similar to his explanation for firing James Comey.

But since Trump cannot fire Brennan, all he can do is take his security clearance and call him names. But he cannot stop Brennan from speaking his mind.

Since he is now an employee of MSNBC, they should have him on air on a more regular basis to get his opinion. They cannot let Donald Trump sabotage the First Amendment.

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bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
1. Think he's holding back to avoid compromising classified info
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:22 AM
Aug 2018

Unlike Dotard that shares methods and assets with Russians in the Oval Office.

Hugin

(33,147 posts)
2. No, along with the Omarosa circus and last week's FBI firing, it's the distraction du-jour.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:31 AM
Aug 2018

Quite frankly, I'm sick to death of this horseshit and the worthless GOP congress enabling the childish antics.

dlk

(11,566 posts)
4. Not in the Least - To Paraphrase, All Evil Needs to Triumph is for Good People to Do Nothing
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:33 AM
Aug 2018

Understatement of the year.

highplainsdem

(48,978 posts)
5. No. His criticism was unusually strong, but he was dealing with unusual outrages/crimes.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 09:47 AM
Aug 2018

I wish more former officials, including President Obama, would speak out more.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
8. NO.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 10:09 AM
Aug 2018

AFAIK, he never misused classified information. And he is fulfilling his duty to seek the preservation of the Republic.

Not only did he NOT go too far, but it his DUTY to speak out.

TNLib

(1,819 posts)
10. No He's telling the truth in a Sea of Lies
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 10:25 AM
Aug 2018

Someone needs to do it. Mueller and other investigators can't speak up for themselves. I think it's needed for someone speaking out. Trump and Ghouliani are taking up all the oxygen and support for the investigation is waning in public opinion.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
11. I see the Brennan thing as a non-story
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 10:43 AM
Aug 2018

The idea of former employees keeping security clearances forever seems wrong to me.

I understand letting former officials to keep clearances if you might want to go to them for their professional advice in the future but the routine letting them keep it once no longer employed seems wrong to me.

When a president decides he's not going to ever seek a certain person's advice, there's no reason for him to get secret information anymore. I would even do it the other way. I would say employees should lose their access to secret information automatically when they leave government unless the president intervenes and requests they keep access for some amount to time.

I used to work for a large corporation that we all know in a decently high position. I gave my two week notice and within 24 hours my access to their proprietary information was cut off. To me that's just routine. Former employees don't get access to secret information, or shouldn't anyway and that has nothing to do with John Brennan.

kentuck

(111,097 posts)
15. The former employees that keep their clearances are very few...
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 11:00 AM
Aug 2018

...is my understanding? People like the former heads of CIA?

There is such a thing as institutional memory. New people coming into their jobs, like the lady now at the CIA, might need to hear some expert opinions? Especially, about national security threats to our country.

I think it is good to have the experience and knowledge of previous leaders, even in the CIA.

Unless you are on a par with John Brennan in national security matters, I don't see the relevant parallel...

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
16. I think that's fine, but
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 11:07 AM
Aug 2018

it should be done on a case by case basis. If the new person would like the old person's advice he should keep his clearance as long as the new person wants him to have it. It shouldn't be routine and it shouldn't be automatic.

The norm should be that when you leave your post you leave access to the info.

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
17. It is absolutely a big deal
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 11:25 AM
Aug 2018

It isn't the POTUS who asks these people these things is the actual intelligence community, number one.

Second, it isn't like they get the PDB with their morning coffee.

It is a need to know basis.

Brennan ran a lot of shops during his day, one was Saudi Arabia. Something pops up there, and person ins charge of the situations gets ahold of him, securely communicates what is going on, and whatever other information they believe is important, and gets his feedback.

It isn't just the big names we know about, either. There are countless ex Intelligence Community contractors and employers who retain their security clearances long after they leave their jobs or working with the government for these types of situations.

Generally, they don't know anything we don't know after they leave, it just enables them to be read in on a need to know basis.

Brennan has a LOT of knowledge, in a LOT of areas. It is bad enough that these small minded nitwits probably don't use people like him because they need to validate their insane world views to begin with. But on the odd chance that someone who isn't a lunatic republican had a matter he could use his advice on can't use him now.

FURTHER, this sets the precedent to make these decisions based solely on political motives.

While POTUS "by law" can do this, there is no example anyone has been able to come forward with of this every happening outside of the policy in place - POTUS does not pull these, it happens when some sort of actual breech occurs, and then it is the agency that person worked for to suspend it, review it and make a determination.

Finally - these assholes have tried to put a weak spin on it to justify it, but the moron has come out and said it was because he said mean things about him.

For all of these reasons ... It is a really horrible act. The significance of which is lost in a tsunami of endless horrible things this asshole has done since he came down the escalator.

Wounded Bear

(58,656 posts)
13. There IS no "line" with Trump...
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 10:56 AM
Aug 2018

That's how authoritarianism works, only dear leader can criticize others, nobody can criticize him.

Fuck Trump. When he shows the least amount of class at all, perhaps I'll assign some "line" that can't be crossed when discussing him. Til then, fuck him.

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