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MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
1. In a case this complex, with so many charges,
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:53 PM
Aug 2018

I wouldn't expect a quick verdict. Deliberations must be done on each charge, specifically. It's not an easy case for the jury at all.

They're not going to rush to judgment, and unanimity may be difficult to come by on all charges.

Patience...

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
2. A conscientious jury would work through each count-
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:54 PM
Aug 2018

They aren't going to just vote guilty and call it a day.

MineralMan

(146,308 posts)
3. Exactly. There will be at least one member of the jury
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:57 PM
Aug 2018

who will insist that each count be discussed. If I were on that jury, I'd be that guy, for sure. I take jury duty very seriously.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
4. Most of the evidence is in the form of financial documents,
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:58 PM
Aug 2018

and there are a lot of them. I would not expect a verdict today even if they are leaning toward a conviction.

meadowlander

(4,395 posts)
5. Lawrence O'Donnell's panel was predicting a few days
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:59 PM
Aug 2018

just because there are so many different counts that they have to work through and some of the bank fraud stuff was complex.

They reckon guilty on most if not all of the charges but a fair amount of deliberation time to actually look at all of them.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
6. Anything less than 1-2 hours per charge would be crazy fast
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 03:04 PM
Aug 2018

For each charge they have to go over what the charge is, what the legal standard and elements are of that crime, the evidence, take a vote, then if they don’t agree deliberate, vote again, etc.

Back in under 20 hours would mean the prosecution did an amazing job.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
7. I doubt it will be a lightening fast vote, but I believe it will be by the end of this week.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 03:07 PM
Aug 2018

Some accusation were SHOWN to be GUILTY on their face and won't require much deliberation, but some will require quite a bit. You also have to take into consideration the fact that "Jurors" as a rule don't like to go over weekends, so I'm thinking they'll do a;; th hey can to wrap it up by the end of Friday.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
9. I might expect an annoucement by the end of tomorrow on an agreement on some but not all charges.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 03:28 PM
Aug 2018

In which case the judge will send the case back to the jury for further deliberation until either there's an agreement or a clear deadlock.

Just my gut feeling. It's possible he might skate on some charges, but I'm betting he'll be convicted of others.

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