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Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:09 PM Aug 2018

The Media, For TWO YEARS, Gave Almost Limitless Free Time

to Donald Trump as he mounted a clown show campaign for president. Since then, they have continued to feature this man with unprecedented coverage of his abuses and pettiness while rarely, if ever, examining the underlying causes of his success and his continuing support, or the need for a real political shift.

Now they are engaging in a war with this guy, defending the idea of a “free press” as if to cast themselves in some other role than entertainment.

Are the media the enemy of the American people? Probably no more than McDonald’s or Jeff Bezos, but for many years they have not led.

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nolabear

(41,963 posts)
1. No. They're people chasing stories at a time when there are too many.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:18 PM
Aug 2018

The age of almost infinite access to information has rattled the gatekeepers of that information more than just about anyone else. They’re overwhelmed, demands for instant access to info is constant, and the info itself is fluid. They’re in a bind, caught between immediacy and accuracy. And they don’t have any gatekeepers themselves now. Spanky and Co. can argue with them real time and unfiltered on Twitter and take advantage of that need for immediacy by playing them against one another.

They aren’t our enemy. They’re us, and we have a hard time dealing with the fact that they have no magic formula to solve this problem.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
3. Totally agree. I wish some of these op-ed boards would check in with their news counterparts.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:35 PM
Aug 2018

Especially the NYT, which ran daily hit pieces on HRC based on little more than innuendo (remember the "shadows" and "clouds" over her campaign from the Clinton Foundation?) and glossed over Trump's mob ties, his Russia connections, his history of racism, his sexual abuse allegations and his obvious unfitness for office.

EarlG

(21,949 posts)
4. Here's a related article from today...
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 06:53 PM
Aug 2018
All politicians try to capitalize on the media for their own ends. But never has the media played such a crucial role in creating a president from scratch. This is new. And the fact that Trump actually fucking won should make everyone in the political media—in particular, those who view their role as more or less neutral arbiters of The Story—gasp in horror at their own power. The entire non-Trump-voting nation has been doing a constant series of gut checks for the past two years. The media’s gut check is one of the most meaningful of all. This is not the old debate about whether objectivity really exists, or whether the mainstream media is biased towards liberalism or conservatism. This is about the need for the media to recognize its own effect on what it purports to be covering. Genuinely or not, news outlets have always defaulted to the explanation that they cover rather than create reality. That is no longer credible. For the slice of the press that does have a genuine desire not to be wielded as a mere political tool, it’s time to get your shit together. The next election is fast approaching.

The most straightforward reform for political media is this: do not create candidates because you need an exciting narrative. Make coverage decisions based upon whether or not someone actually has a political base, rather than on whether you can build one for them with relentless media saturation. This is a fair and nonpartisan standard. Candidates backed by both the Tea Party and by DSA are worthy of coverage to the extent that they both represent broad political movements that have or may soon have a meaningful impact on society. Politics is not sports. Nor is it reality television, the most apt and unfortunate comparison to the 2016 campaign. Politics is the process by which ideologies compete for power. Cover it as such. Look for the ideologies and the power, and you will find the news.

https://splinternews.com/the-living-standard-of-political-media-failure-1828354923

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
7. Thanks for the source.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 11:31 PM
Aug 2018

I've been distracted reading there... I find it interesting.

Yes, the press is culpable in the creation of Trump. I doubt that fact, or our angst over it, will ultimately keep them from going there again in the future. Even with how they're now, for the most part, suddenly discovering how unsuited he is for the office.

Many in our free press let us down and only seemingly found their voices again after the assault on their rights and their institution. Honestly, if we want to take another layer off that onion, there's a current market in bemoaning Trump's assault on the free press. How do we even know what's genuine from them and what they only support to make their bottom dollar now? The crux of the problem is the failed trust we now hold. That's not an easy hurdle to overcome. Which the comments in your linked article seem to show.

I've become quite the cynic I suppose.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
5. The infotainment industry is a disgrace. Just not for the reason Trump claims.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 08:32 PM
Aug 2018

Trump is continuing a decades old tradition of right wing attacks on the mainstream media, which amounts to a form of projection--or Republicans claiming the opposite of reality. The corporate media chases ratings, promotes false equivalencies, and suggests that all statements are equally valid opinions (there are no facts, there are no lies--wouldn't want to upset advertisers). Trump is so egregious that he's forced somewhat of a change with regard to the latter, but the infotainment industry bears a lot of responsibility for allowing Trump's rise.

I will never forgive people such as Andrea Mitchell.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
6. Sadly, far too many posts on this site follow this same path.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 10:19 PM
Aug 2018

As egregious as Trump in the White House is, 95% of the conversation here is about the Shit Show. The problems of our democracy are so much deeper than Russian interference, Omarosa, Manafort, and all the other shiny objects that Democrats, especially Underground ones, are called upon to engage in more important ideas.

herding cats

(19,564 posts)
9. I think in many ways they lost their way.
Thu Aug 16, 2018, 11:43 PM
Aug 2018

The current model for much of our press was, and still is, one where clicks and views rule over quality of coverage.

I may be viewing things from a different angle than most here. I don't really watch television, even though I do have access to all the cable news programs. I read my news online for the most part. I have subscriptions to several major news publications across the country, which I tend to use for my information. I do still follow the AP, Reuters, etc., but even there I'm more critical than I used to be.

The Trump era changed how I view our news media for the rest of my life, or so I expect. I have a critical eye and trust issues now.

Ron Green

(9,822 posts)
10. My TV doesn't get any of the cable news shows that seem to be the primary source material
Fri Aug 17, 2018, 12:45 AM
Aug 2018

for what’s posted here on DU. I too get most of my news online, as well as the local daily paper and the Sunday New York Times. I also listen to the right wing talk shows when I’m working in my garage, just to hear what are the current talking points (they’re coordinated across the various 3-hour segments.)

It’s all echo chambers now, all the time, and I’m afraid that often includes DU.

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