...it's as simple as that. Don't write checks with your mouth that your ass can't cash.

Stupid hurts...

We should have enough respect for ourselves than to display weakness equal to hers.

she was wrong. However - if she's stupid to be drinking in public she might well have been stupid enough to be packing.

Nazis should always be at threat of harm

Racists should always be at threat of harm

Rapists should always be at threat of harm

Terrorists should always be at threat of harm

Being a free society doesn't mean you're free to be supportive of Nazism and racism and be free of the threat of harm.

The threat of harm is crucial to civil society

... authority undermines civility as much as any ideology ever could.

I believe in non-violent communication, and that there is some shame to bear in leaving a 98-pound drunk woman crumpled and bruised on the street for calling people names matter how offensive.

And all this on social media...so these very Nazis and racists can use this reaction to further their ends.

Thank you for saying it so eloquently

...Well, I have so she gets no sympathy from me. None.

I bet you she never calls anybody that vile, reprehensible name in public again.

...I've been called *n----r* more times than I can remember. Just FYI.

...Feel free to allow these vermin to denigrate you without consequence but I'm not having it. That being said, I'm not going to change your mind and you're definitely not going to change mine.

And since we're on "social media", let me say this for the record: Fuck her and every/any other shit-talking racist scumbag.

Just FYI.

...Birds of a feather and all that...

Make no mistake. Systemic racism costs LIVES. That's what Black Lives Matter is all about.

Open, unapologetic racism is a symptom of systemic racism. It is NOT JUST NAME CALLING. That woman enables racism is many ways, you can sure.

So I understand the anger. I think it is justified. Back folks are TIRED of white supremacists and the harm that they cause their community.

It is no wonder to me that many want to quite literally fight back.

I've gone to blows when called it to my face. I'm not Capt. Good One.

I'm just saying that I would not have struck her and pushed her off the bus.

She presents no threat to me, none.

She's not a Nazi or a klansmen marching, to be honest her complaining about the music and knowing she was working up toward that n-bomb, I would be bemused...what an utter Trainwreck in motion.

Clearly I'm on an island on this one.

Birds of a feather flock together. She might be "consorting" with one. Their women always provide them cover . . . White fragile lady.

in fact if it was only the openly kkk and nazi types who were the bigots they would be small in number.

But I'm not questioning theirs either.


She may not identify as a Nazi or a Klansman, but make no mistake. By using that word in that setting the message is clear "This is a White Supremacist nation and I am invoking my privilege to remind you of who I am and who you are."

I'm Whitey McWhiteface and I've known people like her all my life. Trust me when I say she says and advocates far worse things when she is among only white people she thinks agree with her.

Sincerely, these hands.

Sincerely old white lady who never hit anyone.

Lady was. Do we really think that now she won't ever say that again?

That just reinforced it, and not just for her.

But she might learn to keep her goddammed mouth shut.

I would suspect a guy knocked her out and sent her to the hospital. The bus driver drove away and the people on the bus cheered and taped it.

All of those things are also very fucked up, on top of her language.

But hey, she deserved it according to many posts here and as you say, she'll keep her goddamned mouth shut now, won't she.

I for one am going to stick to violence solves nothing, including teaching her that racism is unacceptable.

I’m sick of this bulshit. They wanna play stupid games, they can win stupid prizes. Enough.

Got your back!
The "threat" of violence if they don't get their way ALWAYS references the right
Time they know that we're not the wimps they think we are
And, the n-word has been established as fitting the definition of fighting words.
Don't want a fight, zip your racist lip!

Beating old, drunk women is the least tough thing I can think of.

Next time that racist doesn't get knocked out, pulls out their gun at that fist fight, be prepared to accept the consequences. And the law will be on their side.

But Yeah moral and righteous victory

WE can either acknowledge that they have, or get run over.

I may not have made the same choice as they did, but I don't think they're wrong.

I think that is viewing it from the wrong perspective.

Again, I doubt I would have made the same choice they did, but they were demonstrating resistance a white supremacy that tells that woman it's okay for her to sling racial slurs on a bus full of black people. The woman herself is almost beside the point. It's the context that matters.

Do you do stand up?

...due to there not being nearly enough beatings.

Racism will be ended, one switch at a time.

I don't doubt she was drunk, and with a drink in her hand on the bus. (tho that part surprised me.)

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at a bus full of black people, women and men.

Perhaps some of these people don't understand and need schooling.

Calling black people the N-word has been fighting words for generations.

It didn't just start. Maybe these trumpsters think it's ok, but it's never ok.

I'm saying beating her up, knocking her out cold and sending her to the hospital solved nothing in this situation; it teaches no one a lesson. Other than revenge porn for the masses.

It's not ok.

You make an accusation like that, you'd better be able to back it up.

I advocated for people who are the victims of racism striking back against racists.

I said nothing about like women being hit. That is vile slander. I am deeply offended! You made that shit up and I think you owe me apology.

What are DC's demographics?

Black or African American 318,598
White 266,035

You have to be a special kind of stupid to say the "n" word when you're being white in DC.

And that's only recently the case once whites started moving back into cities like D.C. (and here in Philly) where the white populations (percentages) have been increasing with gentrification.

D.C. was called "chocolate city" for a reason back in the day. Now they are calling it "chocolate chip city".

From the 2000 census -

That really is hysterical.

She's lucky to escape with the injuries she got.

Next go round, for her or the next jerkwad who does that, there will likely be 2 bloody ankle stumps where the feet once were.

Words should not be met with violence.

In recent years the neighborhoods that bus goes through has been heavily gentrified, so there have been more white people on that bus line.

Don't show disrespect for people that have lived in an area for many years before you got there. Just don't do it.

That was that whole broo-ha-ha about it.

Nobody should be physically assaulted for making a comment, no matter how vile.

Not only is it simply wrong, but it also feeds into stereotypes that would be best shed.

Nobody should be scared when they see a bus full of black people in DC, and yet a white woman getting on a bus could be exactly that after hearing this story. The fact that the drunk woman called someone the n-word pales in comparison to the fact that she was beaten on her way out of a city bus.

I can certainly understand the sentiment of those here who are okay with this, given the long, long history of racism in this country and the impact on the daily lives of those targeted.

But each of you is better than this disgusting drunk woman on that bus. You don't need to stoop to her level.

that have nonwhite people in the majority as riders, i have somehow managed to avoid assault. I'm not sure if related, but I have also avoided hurling stereotypical slurs towards the occupants of said bus. Maybe there could be a study to see if using taunting language is a proximate cause of subsequent beat downs.

While it is understandable that some people on that bus crossed the line into violence, given that nationwide tensions caused by racism are at a fever pitch, it certainly should not be applauded or endorsed, such as I see here on this thread.

Behaviors that are not okay don't suddenly become acceptable because you hate someone. If you think it's wrong to beat up on your wife during a fight, then it's just as wrong to beat up a foul-mouthed drunk woman in a bus.

Actions like beating up on a drunk woman can only add to the image of 'scary black man'. This stereotype is at the root of so many assumptions, false accusations and arrests, police shootings, and so much more. It is to everyone's benefit that it is dispelled, not fed.

I doubt any of us were on that bus but if they use to make a generalization that is on the racists.

deserve whatever comes to them sure sounds familiar.

That's literally like the most racially sensitive bus line in the city, because they built the streetcar to mostly shadow its route but only stop at the bars that wypipo go to.

"Dont let your president get your ass whooped"

Its even on a tshirt ...I should get one

Hello, white woman here - one who is very outspoken against racism (also, ACLU member for 10 years). Yes, I feel the need to clarify given the way white folks are more publicly acting these days.

The white woman was clearly very inebriated on the bus (I'd argue that I'd rather she be on a bus than behind the steering wheel of a moving automobile). Can we assume that alcohol is the reason she acted that way? Nope. Is she a racist? Yup. Because no matter how drunk I've ever been in my life (and I've been shit-faced past incoherent), I've never called anyone the N-word. Even in high school in the south in the 80s, when a fellow black choir student knocked me upside the head and I hit her back, I did not call her that word, didn't even come to mind. (We were arguing over solos since both of us were sopranos, but ended up being friends and solo-partners the next year - had nothing to do with racial tensions. Yup, in the 80s, in the deep south - true story. But I digress!). I can't imagine ever saying those words to anyone as I know all to well, having grown up in the south, the hurt that word inflicts. And I'm not a racist asshole. My mother taught me how to be a good human, although Lord knows I've been an asshole in many other ways. With all of this said, it's hard for me to defend this woman who ultimately ended up beaten very badly.

But yet, here goes: she was exiting the bus, so someone (or many) must have followed her off of the bus and beat her. That, in any circumstance, is not okay. It's just not.

By the way, I love the video of Nazi, Richard Spencer, being punched in the face. So, I'm a hypocrite, I suppose. And no, it doesn't have to do with her being a woman. But it does have to do with the fact that she could have ended up dead.

Words are never worth a life, unless they are words inciting violence or death to others and self-defense is involved. This wasn't that situation. So, I just can't get agree with the outcome.

their inhibitions slip away...

But......she did bring it on herself.

Whoever beat her, should probably face charges though. Not sure if they will, but unless she hit them, the beating was unnecessary.

I don't feel sorry for her, because as I said, she brought it on herself, and does actually deserve it.

Your title has a racial slur in it. Would I be justified in smacking the crap out of you? And before you claim it's not the same, you're using a derogatory term to refer to a group of people who have a characteristic out of their control, just like she was. Sorry, there is no functional ethical and moral difference between her word and yours in terms of the motivation behind it.

As a bigger guy, trained in martial arts, violence isn't the answer. I've had drunken idiots take a swing at me and somehow I had the composure to not commit violence and there was an actual threat of violence against me. Mob violence is even less morally justified. When is beating people who present no threat to you okay?

If John Lewis can find the moral strength to get his skull fractured by the police, get up and go back to peacefully protesting, the people on the bus can suck it up.

It boggles my mind that the same people who scream about not normalizing Trump are so eager to embrace his tactics. Call for violence and punishiment against people who disagree with you. Call them names. You can choose to follow his path, I will not.

So I do appreciate yours.

Some people here need to really examine their souls, their morals, and their supposed “progressive” ideals. Smh.

which can be used to justify the violent reaction that happened.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fighting_words

The fighting words doctrine, in United States constitutional law, is a limitation to freedom of speech as protected by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution. In 1942, the U.S. Supreme Court established the doctrine by a 9–0 decision in Chaplinsky v. New Hampshire.

Fighting words are, as first defined by the Supreme Court (SCOTUS) in Chaplinsky v New Hampshire, 315 U.S. 568 (1942), words which "by their very utterance, inflict injury or tend to incite an immediate breach of the peace. ... Fighting words are a category of speech that is unprotected by the First Amendment.

But it's not unreasonable to expect a violent reaction from some people over the usage of terms typically and historically violent.

I'm liking the more recent innovation of public shaming, as in, it would've been better if they just filmed this woman, followed her off the bus for disrupting, and she wound up losing her job. In this case 1) she will only have her racist preconceptions reenforced and 2) people will call free speech and such and 3) some people may actually go to jail over the assault. There's no real good end here.

Outrage over it is silly.

can call them. What is the realistic outcome? Is it a smart thing to do?

I won’t cheer the assault on, just like I wouldn’t say an adult who stuck a fork in an electrical socket deserved to die. However, some people are the masters of their own doom.

Many a man's mouth has broken his nose.

Your OP Title makes it OK to send some folks over to beat the shit out of you.

The violence is wrong. Period. On all sides.

There is no justification for a slur. No matter where it is aimed.

I understand the frustration. But wrong is wrong.

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The context the word is used is discussing racism. Unless you're racist or doing the same thing that is being criticized I see no reason to be offended.

Facebook struggles in fighting hate speech

The result: Minority groups say they are disproportionately censored when they use the social-media platform to call out racism or start dialogues. In the case of Latour and her family, she was simply repeating what the man who verbally assaulted her children said: “What the f— is up with those f—ing n—-r heads?”

Compounding their pain, Facebook will often go from censoring posts to locking users out of their accounts for 24 hours or more, without explanation – a punishment known among activists as “Facebook jail.”

“In the era of mass incarceration, you come into this digital space – this one space that seems safe – and then you get attacked by the trolls and put in Facebook jail,” said Stacey Patton, a journalism professor at Morgan State University, a historically black university in Baltimore. “It totally contradicts Mr. Zuckerberg’s mission to create a public square.”

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Others have started using alternate spellings for “white people,” such as “wypipo,” “Y.P. Pull,” or “yt folkx” to evade being flagged by the platform activists have nicknamed “Racebook.”

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/07/31/facebook-hate-speech/

It originated as a way for people to discuss racism without constantly being flagged.

a picture of black people attacking a white person with no other information. They truncate everything they use.

about someone using a racial slur... OKAY!!!

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wypipo