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kentuck

(111,106 posts) Sat Aug 18, 2018, 10:40 AM Aug 2018

Will Mueller be emboldened after the Manfort verdict?

Or will he be angry?

Depending on the verdict, he may feel emboldened to make a big move?

In either event, it will probably be a transitional point in his investigation. Since his office is mostly silent on what is happening in the investigation, we can probably read the reactions from Trump and the White House, about the direction Mueller is going?

In my opinion, the heat is going to get much hotter. The anxiety level within the Trump circle is going to get much higher. The hatred and propaganda will probably increase in volume, as Mueller makes more and more demands on the White House.

There will be more threats about firing or revoking security clearances or character assassinations as the heat is turned up.

I think the activity level will increase dramatically after the Manafort verdict.

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Will Mueller be emboldened after the Manfort verdict? (Original Post) kentuck Aug 2018 OP

We'll have to wait and see. MineralMan Aug 2018 #1

Not encouraged, wrong term. Manafort convictions is the resounding shot beachbum bob Aug 2018 #2

I'd feel a lot better if Manafort and a few others Ligyron Aug 2018 #5

Yes, state and federal are separate. Manafort knows New York will come at beachbum bob Aug 2018 #9

Also keep in mind that the charges against him are for his own tax fraud. GoCubsGo Aug 2018 #8

Mueller is going to do what Mueller is going to do. GoCubsGo Aug 2018 #3

It will be interesting. kentuck Aug 2018 #4

And, if he does, there is another trial next week, and more down the road. GoCubsGo Aug 2018 #11

My concern about the outcome of this trial is the same as my concern about the midterms Mr. Ected Aug 2018 #6

A not guilty on many of the charges be bad Ligyron Aug 2018 #7

Whatever the outcome, Mueller will continue in an objective, methodical manner. Claritie Pixie Aug 2018 #10

MineralMan

(146,318 posts)

1. We'll have to wait and see.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 10:45 AM

Aug 2018

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

2. Not encouraged, wrong term. Manafort convictions is the resounding shot

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 10:45 AM

Aug 2018

Across the bow for all future indictments that will be coming. Trump can not save you. Remember, manafort can be tried in state courts, convicted in state courts and die in state prisons. Nothing trump can do.

Ligyron

(7,636 posts)

5. I'd feel a lot better if Manafort and a few others

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 11:01 AM

Aug 2018

Already were up on some State charges besides. This would tend to make the possibilities of pardons a little less valuable and mostly moot, No? I don't know how double jeaprody works if they are found not to be guilty on the Federal. They can't just refile in State can they?

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

9. Yes, state and federal are separate. Manafort knows New York will come at

Reply to Ligyron (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 12:56 PM

Aug 2018

him. Trump has zero power at state level

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)

8. Also keep in mind that the charges against him are for his own tax fraud.

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 11:21 AM

Aug 2018

Not the crimes he committed that are directly related to Trump. He has been laundering money for the Russians for decades. He's dirty as shit, even without Trump. There are probably many dozens of other counts he'll be brought up on, regardless of how these turn out. He'd better hope he's convicted on federal charges, because federal prisons are a lot nicer than Attica and Sing Sing.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)

3. Mueller is going to do what Mueller is going to do.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 10:48 AM

Aug 2018

I don't think the verdicts will make a difference either way. He works at his own pace. BTW, Manafort up on multiple counts. There will be around 20 verdicts, not just one. I doubt he's going to get away with everything for which he was charged.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)

4. It will be interesting.

Reply to GoCubsGo (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 10:53 AM

Aug 2018

We hope that is the case that he will not get away with everything for which he was charged.

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)

11. And, if he does, there is another trial next week, and more down the road.

Reply to kentuck (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 01:27 PM

Aug 2018

This trial is "small potatoes" compared to what's coming.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)

6. My concern about the outcome of this trial is the same as my concern about the midterms

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 11:03 AM

Aug 2018

Hands down, we've got this, unless by trickery and deception the thieves of the right are able to cheat their way onto the jury, into the judiciary, or into our voting booths.

Ligyron

(7,636 posts)

7. A not guilty on many of the charges be bad

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 11:14 AM

Aug 2018

It's important that this investigation is seen as totally legit and with merit and a bunch of "not guilty " in this first trial would give the deployable an ability to scream, " See, Witch Hunt"!!

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)

10. Whatever the outcome, Mueller will continue in an objective, methodical manner.

Reply to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Aug 18, 2018, 01:14 PM

Aug 2018

He will do what he knows he can do within his scope. Not from emotions that would empower or anger him.

I think that’s what scares The Asset the most. He gets zero reaction, zero response from Mueller.

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