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nolabear

(41,984 posts)
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:40 PM Aug 2018

We are literally being advised to stay inside in Seattle because of smoke.

It is AWFUL. This used to be one of the cleanest places in the world. We’re being destroyed by droughts and wildfires. My heart is breaking and my eyes are burning. We need to get rid of the anti-environmentalists NOW and work like mad to fix this! I don’t think it’s quite too late but I’m getting nervous.

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We are literally being advised to stay inside in Seattle because of smoke. (Original Post) nolabear Aug 2018 OP
Until this morning, because of some heavy rain, The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #1
It's orange outside. It's godawful. nolabear Aug 2018 #2
I just read about this: The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2018 #4
Thanks. Dammit. nolabear Aug 2018 #5
Remember when Mt. St. Helens ash made it all the way to the e. Coast.? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2018 #22
I feel the same way... defacto7 Aug 2018 #28
Me too...And I think of all the creatures, large and small, that are affected. Bluepinky Aug 2018 #33
We could stay MFM008 Aug 2018 #3
Sorry. It is awful. With all the fires to come in the Hortensis Aug 2018 #6
Olympic Peninsula KT2000 Aug 2018 #7
Here's a LIVE CAM from the Port Of Friday Harbor. PearliePoo2 Aug 2018 #8
Just flew in yesterday... brooklynite Aug 2018 #9
Cliff Mass Weather blog (written yesterday) explaining what's happening PearliePoo2 Aug 2018 #10
I never thought I'd say the rain can't come soon enough. nolabear Aug 2018 #11
We were driving home from the opera yesterday, and visibility downtown was limited Aristus Aug 2018 #12
It's bad. It smells and anyone who is prone to respiratory illness are at risk ismnotwasm Aug 2018 #13
My son drives a lot in his work and he's just miserable. nolabear Aug 2018 #15
I'm so sorry all you in this thread. With sympathy from California.... Hekate Aug 2018 #14
Thanks Hekate. I know you get it. suffragette Aug 2018 #43
Maybe some rain showers this weekend! PearliePoo2 Aug 2018 #16
Oh gosh. I know Eastern WA is really suffering nolabear Aug 2018 #17
Are people able to get decent respiratory masks? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2018 #21
I'm sorry. I can relate DesertRat Aug 2018 #18
We've had rain during the last 2naSalit Aug 2018 #19
The WSDOT pass cameras are unreal jmowreader Aug 2018 #20
Photo of Seattle today from Kiro twitter. Yeah, it's bad. suffragette Aug 2018 #23
Every one I see looks worse. nolabear Aug 2018 #24
I'm dreading tomorrow, when the heat is supposed suffragette Aug 2018 #34
Have you seen this one? Night smoke rippling like clouds. suffragette Aug 2018 #36
No! That's eerie. We've got a window ac but I worry about my kids. nolabear Aug 2018 #38
Seattle kids stuck indoors during summer. Bad on so many levels. suffragette Aug 2018 #41
Interesting idea about "tie a filter" to the window AC. Try an old T-shirt if that's the case.... Hekate Aug 2018 #47
Any port in a storm. nolabear Aug 2018 #49
wow Demovictory9 Aug 2018 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #25
Its bad around Portland too. CentralMass Aug 2018 #26
Because of a terrible auto accident two weeks ago we find ourselves in Seattle FightingIrish Aug 2018 #27
Oh geez mchill Aug 2018 #29
How's she doing with her hand, FightingIrish? Is she still having surgeries? pnwmom Aug 2018 #37
Thanks for the thoughts. FightingIrish Aug 2018 #40
All the hospitals in Seattle now have that United Nations quality. pnwmom Aug 2018 #42
I'm sorry about your wife! Hope she and you are getting what you need. nolabear Aug 2018 #39
It's bad in Colorado! ProudLib72 Aug 2018 #30
This says it all... defacto7 Aug 2018 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #32
If this keeps up our tourist industry is screwed. nolabear Aug 2018 #45
fucking nasty outside today in NW Oregon 0rganism Aug 2018 #44
Check into getting N-95 respiratory masks for your outside wear. Hardware stores usually carry them Hekate Aug 2018 #46
We have a filter on the portable ac and an air purifier. nolabear Aug 2018 #48
Two "Name Removed" contributions in a thread like this? That had to be some really nasty crap. nt Hekate Aug 2018 #50
I wondered about that too. Somebody's trolling overtime. nolabear Aug 2018 #51
I caught the one removed after my post. defacto7 Aug 2018 #55
apparently this is to be expected every summer from now on...this is the new norm for us... samnsara Aug 2018 #52
Good God. It's going to decimate us. nolabear Aug 2018 #53
Isn't that how the grunge scene started... lame54 Aug 2018 #54

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,719 posts)
1. Until this morning, because of some heavy rain,
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:45 PM
Aug 2018

for most of a week we were under an air quality warning in Minneapolis, 1,600 miles away, because of the smoke. Although there were few clouds and it was warm, there was enough of a high overcast that we couldn't see the sun. It was very weird. I hope it clears up soon but I'm also very concerned that we won't be able to fix this.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
5. Thanks. Dammit.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:59 PM
Aug 2018

It rains so much here I look forward to the three months every year when we’re heaven. The last two years it’s more like hell. Everything but the brimstone.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
22. Remember when Mt. St. Helens ash made it all the way to the e. Coast.?
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 06:07 PM
Aug 2018

I thought that was impressive.

I spent the first 40 years of my life in Wash. state and never ever heard of anything remotely close to this bad, with the entire West of the Rockies burning at once. The fire maps that zoom out show hundreds of fires thru out the West, even in Alaska. Most of Washington is having fires, both sides of the state.

My heart is breaking. This is what it is like to live with global warming NOW. So much worse to come.
Most people will never know how beautiful it was.
Profoundly sad.

Bluepinky

(2,271 posts)
33. Me too...And I think of all the creatures, large and small, that are affected.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:26 AM
Aug 2018

It makes me so sad. I wanted to take a trip with my kids to see Yosemite National Park and others, now I don’t know if there will be anything left.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
3. We could stay
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:50 PM
Aug 2018

At the park for 15 minutes because of the smoke laying over puget sound yesterday. Today another bad day.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. Sorry. It is awful. With all the fires to come in the
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 01:21 PM
Aug 2018

forests of the Pacific Northwest, let's just hope you never have to worry every year if you'll lose your home. That's, of course, where millions of Americans already are. Billions around a planet on fire.

Because we are just too far into climate change to return to anything like what used to be. Not in the rest of my lifetime, anyway. Real mitigations of its effects are possible from what I've read, but severe climate-change droughts are reportedly believed to be "locked in" for the next few decades, even if greenhouse gasses were dramatically cut today.

KT2000

(20,581 posts)
7. Olympic Peninsula
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 01:32 PM
Aug 2018

smells like the raw wood burning. Checked the map and we are very unhealthy today. The Vancouver Island fires are bypassing Victoria and coming straight here.

handy maps here - click under the map for a larger one. http://wasmoke.blogspot.com/

brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
9. Just flew in yesterday...
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 02:04 PM
Aug 2018

Could smell the smoke at the airport. The haze over Elliot Bay is really deep

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
10. Cliff Mass Weather blog (written yesterday) explaining what's happening
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 02:05 PM
Aug 2018

and what's to come. Lots of maps and satellite pics.


http://cliffmass.blogspot.com/

It's like the whole West Coast is on fire.


Aristus

(66,380 posts)
12. We were driving home from the opera yesterday, and visibility downtown was limited
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 02:37 PM
Aug 2018

to about half a mile. It looked like LA in the early seventies.

ismnotwasm

(41,986 posts)
13. It's bad. It smells and anyone who is prone to respiratory illness are at risk
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 02:41 PM
Aug 2018

Not to mention those of us who lucky with healthier lungs are coughing and sneezing

It looks dystopian out there

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
15. My son drives a lot in his work and he's just miserable.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 03:00 PM
Aug 2018

Poor guy is literally trying to figure out how to get his one year old son to wear a mask.

How did we get here? 😢

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
43. Thanks Hekate. I know you get it.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:28 PM
Aug 2018

I posted a picture and video further down in the thread. It’s pretty bad.

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
16. Maybe some rain showers this weekend!
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 03:07 PM
Aug 2018

The wind is switching to SSW Wednesday or Thursday instead of from the North like now. That will keep all the smoke from B.C. and Eastern Washington away from us. Hang in there!

I know what you mean. I'm freaked out about all the fires and drought too. I've never seen anything like this.

My sister lives in Spokane and it's probably the worst in the country right now.


nolabear

(41,984 posts)
17. Oh gosh. I know Eastern WA is really suffering
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 03:23 PM
Aug 2018

I hope you’re right about the clearing. Now if they can put out those fires!

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
21. Are people able to get decent respiratory masks?
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 05:35 PM
Aug 2018

I have sons and brothers up there, the pictures are shocking.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
18. I'm sorry. I can relate
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 03:30 PM
Aug 2018

Here in the mountains of eastern AZ smoky summers are becoming an unwelcome way of life.

2naSalit

(86,636 posts)
19. We've had rain during the last
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 03:36 PM
Aug 2018

two days but the smoke is still there during and after the rain ends. Plenty of breeze but it's so smokey I can't see beyond about a mile, if that.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
34. I'm dreading tomorrow, when the heat is supposed
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:08 AM
Aug 2018

to crank up and we still have the smoke.

Like most here, I don't have air conditioning so I'll have the windows open and the fans on.

Very grateful that I bought an air purifier during last year's smoke storm. At least it helps a bit.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
38. No! That's eerie. We've got a window ac but I worry about my kids.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:08 AM
Aug 2018

Apparently you can tie a filter to a window fan and it filters out 90% of what comes in but I imagine those are selling out. Local weather guys are recommending it.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
41. Seattle kids stuck indoors during summer. Bad on so many levels.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:26 PM
Aug 2018

Bet you are glad to have that window ac!

I don’t have window fans. I have two Vornado fans. They cost a bit more, but they last and on the low setting they are extremely quiet and approximate a natural breeze. I’ve had the 1st one for @ 15 years and it still works fine.

My air purifier is from the same company, since I figured the fans have done so well, it should too.
It does help. Here’s the one I have:
https://www.vornado.com/shop/air-purifiers/ac350-true-hepa-air-purifier

Even though it stayed so warm last night, NWS Seattle is saying the temp should run 8- 10 degrees lower than expected today because of the smoke cover. So I should be able to close up for a bit after alll. Thank goodness.

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
47. Interesting idea about "tie a filter" to the window AC. Try an old T-shirt if that's the case....
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:23 PM
Aug 2018

Dampen it.

Response to nolabear (Original post)

FightingIrish

(2,716 posts)
27. Because of a terrible auto accident two weeks ago we find ourselves in Seattle
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:01 PM
Aug 2018

while my wife recovers from her injuries. Looking out the window of the hospital is surreal. I’m originally from southern Oregon where they have been breathing air like this for three weeks. The entire northwest is choking. I guess not getting my daily bike ride may be a good thing for now.

mchill

(1,018 posts)
29. Oh geez
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:13 PM
Aug 2018

Hope your wife will be ok?

Medford and Ashland have been quite bad for a month or more. I live 70 miles south and 35 mile north of the Carr and Hirz fires (over 200k acres together). Drove thru the epicenter on Saturday and it was awful, just awful. Enjoying the foggy cool air of the East Bag hills now after being cooped up for 3 weeks. Broke down and bought an air purifier last week.

The fuel moisture readings on the aforementioned fires are worse than the catastrophic fire in Yellowstone.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
37. How's she doing with her hand, FightingIrish? Is she still having surgeries?
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:32 AM
Aug 2018

It sounded like such an ordeal. I hope it's going well.

FightingIrish

(2,716 posts)
40. Thanks for the thoughts.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:24 PM
Aug 2018

Today is her 14th day here. We have heard rumors of getting discharged today. She is getting exceptional care at Harborview Medical Center. Her caregivers have been the most caring individuals I have ever encountered and they come from all over the world. She is having a much better day than Trump.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
42. All the hospitals in Seattle now have that United Nations quality.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:27 PM
Aug 2018

So does my suburban neighborhood for that matter.

There's been quite a change over the decades since we first moved to Seattle.

I'm glad you and your wife have been having a good experience after that traumatic event. Fingers crossed you get out today.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
39. I'm sorry about your wife! Hope she and you are getting what you need.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 10:10 AM
Aug 2018

Yeah, the PNW is a mess. I don’t know what to think any more.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
30. It's bad in Colorado!
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 11:14 PM
Aug 2018

I'm in Boulder, and I couldn't see the foothills the smoke was so thick. Took the dog for a 45 min walk, and it hurt my throat. This is just horrible!

Response to defacto7 (Reply #31)

0rganism

(23,955 posts)
44. fucking nasty outside today in NW Oregon
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:32 PM
Aug 2018

a hazy orange hellscape as promoted by the apricot hellbeast. bestest weather ever. so much winning. who doesn't love seeing ash occasionally falling from the sky?

Hekate

(90,704 posts)
46. Check into getting N-95 respiratory masks for your outside wear. Hardware stores usually carry them
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:17 PM
Aug 2018

Drug stores, too -- our stash is from CVS. Call around first, because they may be sold out. Keep checking.

We were fortunate that during the Thomas Fire a charity included some in what they were giving to evacuees like us. I am keeping what I still have in the pantry, by the meds.

I know I sound like a broken record, but try to get some stand alone air purifiers to move around the house. We got ours at Costco years ago, during the year of the Zaca Fire + Gap Fire + Jesusita Fire. Lots of particulate matter in the air.

Keep the windows shut. I know it's hot. If you don't have AC, use fans.

One final thing: keep an eye on your kids and elders for signs of respiratory distress. I went to see my allergist after the Gap Fire in the foothills immediately in back of my then-neighborhood -- based on my symptoms I thought a huge stash of poison oak must have burned off. I shared an elevator with a woman who was wheezing so badly it was scary -- and that was the fire as well.

I am so sorry. My heart hurts for you all.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
48. We have a filter on the portable ac and an air purifier.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:26 PM
Aug 2018

Only time I’ve ever been thankful for my sensitivity to offgassing. I cannot be in a room with brand new paint and carpet, and recently refinished furniture. Years ago when I took a new office I bought a great filter and it’s coming in really handy these days. I’m tbinking of getting one for my kids’ house. They have a one year old and I hate them all having to breathe this shit.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
55. I caught the one removed after my post.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:24 PM
Aug 2018

All the person said was, wow thanks for that link. It was rather benign. Since it was auto removed the user probably said something bad somewhere else and all their posts were removed across the board.

samnsara

(17,622 posts)
52. apparently this is to be expected every summer from now on...this is the new norm for us...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:57 PM
Aug 2018

...Im on the other side of the Pass and last year...and this year.....no veggies in my garden because NO SUN!

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
53. Good God. It's going to decimate us.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:18 PM
Aug 2018

My veggies are struggling to ripen too. Wonder how the wine industry is being affected.

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