He's getting a bit full of himself. The youth being involved like they are is critical, but as far as dealing with the shit storm of politics right now - experience is crucial to save our democracy.

and now they are really pissed off?

On a much smaller scale, this is like the Vietnam protests, where the oldsters basically said "Shut up and do your patriotic duty."

Not at all.

I do think they have a critical role in keeping issues in the forefront. But I sure as shit am not going to let them spout attacks on Pelosi either.

The generation gap is two sided after all.

She is forever an historical figure, and an icon of the Democratic Party.

But I also support term limits.

And after our experience with Reagan and the Dotard, multiple Congressional reps, Supreme Court judges - age and health limits are becoming more sensible now, especially as we stay alive longer but have no guarantees on our mental health and stability.

I like my tribe, I like my team. But I can handle criticism.

Sandy Hook? Parkland? Las Vegas? I believe we all deserve a little criticism.

ever since he came to prominence; I've seen this thought all over DU and I'm sure there are plenty of people to tell him this and he may read it on the internet.

The party of literally the oldest president ever?
Ryan got the speaker role because it's a sucky job right now given how dysfunctional the Republican Party is.

And whatever success the Republican Party is having, it's not because their temporary house leader is "young".

Age has nothing to do with it, David.

Nancy is older and better... Look what's happening to Paul Ryan!

does he not know what a vile monster ryan is and that his age is meaningless?

Scary.

Ultimately what worries me more is if they dont vote, surely most of them wont vote for a repub but will most of them just not vote at all?

Let's just let the kids take over because...old...

That pisses me off, just the total lack of respect for those that hold the party together.

Republicans hate Pelosi for a reason. Being old is not it.

I'd take them more seriously about taking over.

Let's have more incompetent leaders like Paul Ryan. He's younger than Pelosi so all is well!

I hope he gets embarrassed and publicly apologizes.

Tired of the Pelosi bashing bandwagon, making her the scapegoat of their not-immediately-indulged demands.

More of any demographic doesn't insure changes in policy. The GOP has absolutely no problem finding candidates of any demographic that support their narrow minded goals. How and when you were born doesn't matter nearly as much as how you were raised and how you think.

Is that so terrible?

Im huge on empowering youth - sorry I like it.

All it proves is those who say it are narrow minded.

Not sure I get that?

WTF?

that is despite the fact that 2 of our youngest five Presidents were elected in that time frame. Carter was our 17th youngest. Obama our 5th and Clinton our 3rd.

since, well, voting.

So if that's why then how does that work when we've had Obama as President in his late 40s?
Is Hogg running for Speaker?

It's a silly, immature argument.

sucks as Speaker of the House.

It's not a matter of age. What matters is effectiveness and ability to raise money to elect other Party members to Congress. Pelosi excells at both.

Aren't we Dems in the minority?

It’s a tough position to be in, to be that young and be that much in the public eye. Especially after trauma. I hope he gets gently pulled back and reminded that youth has its advantages but so does experience. If Nancy Pelosi took my advice I’d tell her to reach out to him and form a coalition.

When he graduates from high school, college,and wins a couple elections and has held office for a decade or more. When he has those accomplishments under his belt he just might know a wee bit more of what he's talking about.

Not sure I'd call it an accomplishment - but might serve as a call to duty.

Rock on Mr Hogg!

Some might even call him a smart ass

Think

A pathetically outdated website with forums loaded with people who think they know everything but are knowledgeable about nothing.

Free Republic. A site kinda like this but conservative and batshit crazy.

Other than here and Amazon...I dont get out much. Have a good week Glam And Prof.

My pleasure brother!

He has a point of view and a calling to serve, good for him, he also has a right to express his ideas. We have a right to disregard his arrogance and lack of experience in any type of leadership and reality of political sausage making.

He is going to need more than a case of PTSD on his resume to get elected, and serve as a Democratic leader.

with the legitimacy of this particular argument he is making?

Being in a school shooting doesn't instantly elevate your argument in all things to "I won't even analyze it cuz Hogg said it and he was in a school shooting so it must be good."

His political experience is sorely lacking. His comment about Leader Pelosi is proof of that.

I'll pay more attention to you when you are president. Why do I waste my time on stupid shit? Are you from cal?

young people are supporting paul ryan . and Ryan isn't effective anyways.

He should stick to his cause. If he has someone in mind challenge Pelosi, then support that person based on merit, don't stook to ageism and misogyny.

I'm a big fan of Pelosi, but that dog won't hunt. If someone gives you a reason to believe their motivation is bigotted, then have at it, but the assumption that's always the default isn't a good one and is counterproductive to the problem it's trying to solve.

But, my goodness to accuse this young man of misogyny is beyond the pale(or maybe it should be beyond the PAIL)
Ageism, yes.

Hogg stereotyped a woman with an accrued lifetime of knowledge and experience. He focused solely on her age, and like gender, that's something that cannot be changed. At his tender years, he expressed contempt, not just for Pelosi, but for the larger half the population of this country who are female and I suspect this is an ingrained prejudice against all women.

It made me cringe when I read his words, not only for the blatant misogyny, but that he was parroting the Republican party's stock line of attack against Pelosi and other powerful Democratic women. Hogg has such a bright future, I hope he can still learn that the value of smart, assertive, outspoken women is not linked to a birthday cake.

rather than just her age.


I could be wrong, but that is not my take.

...he is doing great things for his age, and I hope very much his future is bright.

You notice I never give anyone else a pass on the topic of Nancy Pelosi, and that is because they are decades older and should know better. One of the things this incident says to me is the extent to which RW propaganda has saturated the airways and poisoned discussions about our own elder statesmen. We need to find ways to counter that.

but you wont see people pointing out his age and he is only 3 years younger than Pelosi .

His point is still far too blunt in my opinion. It's not a problem to have some older leaders, but we do need to do more to make party leadership look more like the party demographics.

"..saturated the airwaves.. " and the human psyche.

This is also David Hogg as you know..

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

That's one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I appreciate what Hogg and his classmates have been doing ever since the shooting, but holy shit is that a stupid thing to say.

How else can you stew it?

that is NOT empowering young people.

This is a visual, folks.

Ryans cred is not the issue...his age is.

speaker.

the fucking fredom caucus or whatever the fuck they want to call themselves had more power than him.

Presidency, when everyone predicted they were going to lose.

By Republican standards, he's a fucking Rhodes Scholar.

tax cuts is supported by the republican party as a whole. it didn't take much to get republicans to support it.

someone who has little knowledge on the topic to which you respond.

He is the son of my brother - a true progressive...if not a bit radical.

For my nephew - Clinton was too establishment - and too old...Bernie didn't seem like a winner and he sees Pelosi as an elderly woman with gigantic fake boobs that he can't take seriously.

He'll get smarter - but that's what's happenin'!

It's called a generation gap.

Clinton's margin of victory with that age group was greater than any other age group.

Republican victories don't have a damn thing to do with empowering young people. Seriously, Hogg's statement is one of the dumbest statements ever made.

but very silly anecdotal opinion.

Strange you didn't mention Bernie's age, just he "didn't seem like a winner".

Since you appear to have had a few talks with your nephew, maybe you should politely suggest he do some research on Pelosi. I'm not a huge fan of her, but I know she's widely respected. And it's hard to take anyone seriously when "gigantic boobs" is even an issue. /facepalm

If Hogg wants "better" representation, then his generation need to start getting involved, and that means f-ing voting.

VOTE, or to quote Mr. Hogg: "move the fu** off the plate".

Painfully, in this quote

I cannot believe the shit being thrown at Hoog in this thread.
Somebody got their little footsies stepped on.

Maybe it's the same people who fail to recognize satire any more.

I saw no reason to think that. Can you put it in a larger context so we can find the reason you think it's satire?

I never SAID it was satire.
You missed the point of what I said...WHICH is exactly the point I was talking about.

and that has nothing to do with discussing Hogg's statement. I think he has a lot of support here, but like many young people, he seems to fail to recognize people who are on his side. I also stated that I did those same things myself at that age. People mature and their understanding grows with time and experience.

And I don't care - Wanting to get newer people in office is no disrespect to her past accomplishments.

She can do whatever - but let's let the new voices in.

Folks - we're being hyphenated! - Socialist Democrats??? That's DIVISION!

WTF?

"Democrat" is perfect, and should imply an occasional taste of socialist measures...we don't need to advertise it.

Politics is far too old. Likewise sports, where I have made similar arguments regarding conventional wisdom with coaching hires and front office hires.

In both venues you could subtract 10-15 years from the norm and have a superior product and results.

Hogg's examples were poor but his instincts are superior. And similarly his instincts are awesome when he is working to register young voters, while our cable hosts spend the same time frame whining about something from 2015 or 2016, while absurdly exaggerating every likely remedy.

I like Nancy Pelosi. But I remember the excitement when Bill Clinton was elected at barely 46 years old and Barack Obama at newly 47. Again similar to sports I prefer prodigies over late-blooming stiffs. That is the age range we should be prioritizing.

And David Hogg famous and relevant at 18 is someone I would listen carefully to, far beyond some late-blooming stiff naysayer.

Nancy kicks ass. So do you. I would rather have a 150 year old Nancy Pelosi than any Republican. Paul Ryan only empowers billionaires. You would know this if you paid attention to WHAT HE DOES AND WHO HE SERVES.

Keep doing what you do. Attacking people who don't care how many kids get shot as long as they can pet their shiny weapons of war every minute of the day to feel powerful.

Grownups have a lot of work to do, and you and your friends are welcome to help. Actually you are required to help. You can run for congress in two years yourself, and I hope you do. I will send you money. Attacking old people (who would fight to the death for you) just because they are old is stupid.

Have a great day David.

See you on the front lines!

NO Speaker of the House has accomplished more than Nancy Pelosi did in her short tenure.....so just shut the fuck already as you have no background into what Pelosi accomplished nor did you bother to even find out.

I do cut him some slack, though. When I was that age I had set in stone opinions that I see now were way off base. Someday he will likely cringe when he remembers this.

In the original interview in the New York Magazine Daily Intelligencer (and quoted by Daily Mail), David also finds fault with Bernie and Obama.

Probably it's all just him pushing his No. 1 issue these days: Empowering young people.

After all, his oft-repeated slogan is: "The Young People Will Win."

so that's different from going after someone because of Age.

not sure what his issue with Obama is.

either way i think most of it just has to do with him being young.

...which resulted in deaths of innocents (and which would also be the case had Obama used more conventional bombers, fighter jets, missiles, etc.)

At 18, David has done a world of good in gun reform and voter registration. If he spouts off a few ill-reasoned ideas about older pols, I can live with that.

Parkland kid goes under the bus.

that impact gun laws.

analogy...

Your analogy is still completely bogus. Saying someone is too old does not equate to actual votes on actual gun laws. C'mon now...

I'm 72 and frankly some of the Dem leaders look like they're already embalmed and dragged out when needed for public appearances. Politicians are supposed to be leaders and project strength and vigor. It's why FDR was never photographed in a wheelchair and JFK kept his many health problems a secret.

How is a 19 year old supposed to identify with a leader who looks like a cadaver?

This is just the way the dude talks, and he's still a kid ... albeit a very bright one. And it's in the context of Congressional Term Limits, it's important to note (given he wants to run for Congress as soon as he hits 25).

Am I saying this is a 'well-advised sentiment'? No, I'm not. But is it different from the cockiness of pretty much ALL young people, thinking they know more than 'the adults'?

If you read the whole article (it's hella long, but highly illustrative), you'll discover it's DEFINITELY cherry-picking to come down on this young man over this brief statement, which is clearly not at all 'central' to his philosophies, which are surprisingly sophisticated (and VERY progressive) for a person his age.

He still has much to learn (like, AOC is never to be President like he apparently thinks) but I appreciate the vast majority of this dude's sentiments ... esp. when considering they're coming from a High Schooler.

Here is what immediate precedes the quotes from the Daily Mail article:

I’d love to see more high energy, media savvy folks representing our party at every level. Nancy is an effective fundraiser, she doesn’t need to be the speaker to continue doing it. Look at Alexandria, a total newbie, is already influential, media savvy, near household name, incredible charisma and energy, stunning. She is down to earth, peoples person. Yes, not as knowledgeble yet but who cares, she got my attention before I get a chance to do more research.
Agree with Pelosi on everything but she doesn’t exicite me, doesnt energize me one bit; in fact, she is incredibly boring to listen to in interviews, rarely anything new. It is important to give opportunities to younger folks who are the future of our party, good for morale.

Where have you been? We've been waiting for you to engage. Democracy doesn't run on autopilot. Give us some brilliant young people, give us a new way of thinking. Step up to the plate, we're watching. We got your back, and we can get to the voting booth without our iPhones. Let's go.

That’s not how it works. They’ll more likely feel vindicated and not budge an inch, which is what Hogg was getting at.

Together we can figure it out. I'm just happy they give a damn. I didn't think so just a few years back.

I took some courses at my local community college, young people everywhere. Went for two years, never had one conversation about current events. One lady, mother of two, was complaining about how old people were asking her to vote. She didn't see the need, bigger things in her world.

They worried me, but if see Trump forces them to finally feel fear. Then they are engage and can feel they may lose something then took for granted.

That's not terrible, historically speaking. 2000 was the low point at 40 percent. The first election 18-year-olds could vote it was 58 percent (1972), which remains the all-time high. Obama 08 pushed the number up to 52 percent and it went down to 49 percent in 2012. Of course, those are presidential year numbers.

Let's go for 75 percent, it's their lives now that have to live in this country. Children they may raise, they got to fight for what they need. They will get it, if they go in force. Of course, this isn't counting any Russian funny business.

They need a higher tax base, unions needs to be back in force, teachers to be paid better, stopping the business of college loans, insurance for all of us because with this global warming , we have no idea what is brewing under the surface to wipe a bunch of us out. They don't watch Fox News, and wouldn't believe it anyway. They grew up in America marketing, and now they are getting wise to all the bots and b.s. online. They give me hope. All the colors of humans, working together. We have to teach the world that it can be done.

I have grown children, one just graduated college. No grandchildren, but they have something to offer and many are wise beyond their years. They don't have to hate us because we were born before them, it's just the fate we all were handled. I'm now retired and moved to a college town, not to old town Florida because it's the young I enjoy exploring their world with. I'm still trying to stretch my brain to stay current.

about how only a low percentage intend to vote.

I do however, suspect that youth often leads one to speak prior to fully thinking a position out. I'll cut the guy a ton of slack for his youthful indiscretion.

If this is the worst he has to offer, then no worries-- he's still head and shoulders above so many other adults actually in positions of leadership.

The day I begin agreeing with any one person on every topic is the day I'm being lead around by the nose.

of say Obama, black Democrats just won't move the fuck off the plate and let us take control. Barack Obama is black. No one would defend that. Yet I fail to see any difference at all between that and what he did say. It is pure, unadulterated ageism. Just like my example would be pure, unadulterated racism. It is one thing to argue that Pelosi is unfit to be speaker because of something she actually did. It is quite another to say she is unfit simply for being old. One reason Pelosi was so old when she became speaker is because she was an old first time candidate back in 1987 when she was 47. And the reason she was such an old first time candidate is that she couldn't run while she had young children (something that Ryan didn't have to worry about since only women are made to worry about that). He got to run at age 29 and served during the entirety of the young childhood of his children. So yeah, he got to be speaker at age 45 after serving 16 years in Congress. She got to be Speaker at age 66 after having served 19 years. Funny how Mr. Hogg and all the others can't be bothered to mention the unvarnished sexism that caused her to have to wait to even run for office until her children were grown.

It reeks of ageism for one and it slams people on his side who can help his cause.

I thought David Hogg was really great and a natural leader.

I don’t know what to think about him now tbh.

and that type of thinking tells me they aren't ready for the job.

Why aren't you dogging Repugs and their 70 year old obese dottard? Dems 70 year old woman is effective and smart - if a younger person could do better they would be already taking leads and bringing home the bacon, but no one so far is better than Nancy. Maybe he's been seeing too much Russian fake news. I've had a slew of new rw "Suggested sites" posted to my timeline in FB and I've reported on every one of them. Russia is at it again and hope he's not buying their hot drivel.

Also, don't look down on her age, you wouldn't want her to look down on yours. And what is this "take control" crap?

Even after years of pointing out here that the Daily Mail is FOX NEWS for the UK. smh

Making him into an icon will not serve him well, nor the gun safety cause.

to continue on college campuses too with the hate lure plus rally in rural areas with lower class youth
Hope he puts it all on GOTV this year . Get more under 25 to vote with your public voice sir
Then you will see change

I’m gonna cut the young man some slack.

But, David...you might want to read up about Pelosi’s accomplishments. We need effective legislators. Nancy Pelosi has proven herself quite well in that regard.

Also, if you want people to help when you need support, you gotta stand up when they need support. We are all in this together. You are making remarkable progress, and it is greatly appreciated.