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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsLooks like guilty on 17 counts with a holdout on 1 count.
IMO.
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lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)mobeau69
(11,145 posts)"What do we do if we can't reach a conclusion on just one of the counts?"
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)It's not entirely clear what that means.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,489 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)The only things kept out of the public are the actual jury deliberations.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,489 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)not to prevent spectators from hearing it. If a lengthy discussion is necessary the judge will send the jury out of the room and continue with just the lawyers present but the discussion will not be kept from the spectators (though they might not be able to hear it easily if the lawyers are gathered around the judge's bench). Anything that shouldn't be public will be discussed in the judge's chambers.
lame54
(35,294 posts)Ponietz
(2,985 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)All it says is they can't come to a consensus on 1 count. For all we know that means they have only deliberated on that 1 count or something less than all 18 and after not being able to reach consensus they are questioning whether they should move on.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Bonx
(2,053 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)stacked against him argues against such a conclusion.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Frankly I would be firing some folks for leaking this information.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)exboyfil
(17,863 posts)mobeau69
(11,145 posts)Like playing Euchre.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,735 posts)as to the ones they agree on and keep deliberating on the last one.
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)sarisataka
(18,663 posts)There are two ways to interpret that note...
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)No way they found him not guilty on 17 but are holding out on one.
sarisataka
(18,663 posts)However I make it a habit to not assume the ratio of eggs to eventual chickens is 1:1
Amishman
(5,557 posts)Deliberations have gone on too long for the 17 decided counts to all go the same way. My guess is a significant split.
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)I still go with guilty on at least 17.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)samnsara
(17,622 posts)Sneederbunk
(14,291 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)It's either going to be 'best jury every, justice was served!' or 'fucking rigged trial, out them all!'.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)mobeau69
(11,145 posts)one count
"It is your duty to agree upon a verdict if you can do so," Judge T.S. Ellis said. He encouraged each juror to make their own decisions on each count, but if some were in the minority on a decision, they could think about what the other jurors believe.
Give "deference" to each other and "listen to each others' arguments."
"You're the exclusive judges," he added. "Take all the time which you feel is necessary."
The jurors asked about the impact of not agreeing on all counts.
"If we cannot come to a consensus for a single count, how can we fill in the verdict sheet?" the jury wrote in a note to Ellis.
Without jurors present, Ellis also told judge told the courtroom that he will not ask the jury for a partial verdict at this time.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/21/politics/paul-manafort-trial-jury/index.html
cwydro
(51,308 posts)You dont know this.
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)They could all be in agreement on 17 of the counts without all 17 counts being the SAME verdict. They could agree that he's guilty on, say, 10 counts and not guilty on 7, or any mixture of Guilty and Not Guilty.
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)Don't think what was presented to them is open to that kind of parsing.