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louis c

(8,652 posts) Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:55 AM Aug 2018

"What If We Can't Come to a Consensus on One Count?" Manafort Jury

this can be interpreted two ways. What if the jury can't come to a consensus on any count or what if the jury can't come to a consensus on one count, but we have on 17.

The first interpretation is bad for us, the second is very good.

I'm going with the second. The Jury has decided on 17 counts and I think the hang up is the one where the bank CEO in Chicago wanted to trade the bank loan for a Trump appointment. In that case, the bank CEO is guilty of a crime, but not Manafort.

I'm guessing 17 guilty verdicts and 1 hung.

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"What If We Can't Come to a Consensus on One Count?" Manafort Jury (Original Post) louis c Aug 2018 OP

FWIW Manafort used false info to try to get a that loan emulatorloo Aug 2018 #1

I am inclined to the second interpretation as well marylandblue Aug 2018 #2

I agree, they cannot over look his defrauding the IRS of OnDoutside Aug 2018 #5

They used the word 'single'? mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #6

Well,I guess you could look at that way marylandblue Aug 2018 #7

Wouldn't they have used "any" leftynyc Aug 2018 #8

Probably, yeah ... mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author Eliot Rosewater Aug 2018 #3

Per MSNBC it's a single count nt Sunsky Aug 2018 #4

emulatorloo

(44,131 posts)

1. FWIW Manafort used false info to try to get a that loan

Reply to louis c (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:58 AM

Aug 2018

So he and the CEO are both guilty

But I do think your interpretation is good regarding the jury.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

2. I am inclined to the second interpretation as well

Reply to louis c (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 11:59 AM

Aug 2018

If they were hung up on more than one count, they wouldn't have used the word "single."

But I think it is a different count, the one about have less than 50% ownership of an foreign account. Some may feel he doesn't have to report on that account, or that he might legitimately believe he didn't.

OnDoutside

(19,960 posts)

5. I agree, they cannot over look his defrauding the IRS of

Reply to marylandblue (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:04 PM

Aug 2018

Millions in taxes

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)

6. They used the word 'single'?

Reply to marylandblue (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:22 PM

Aug 2018

That actually could be bad in this context ... 'one' would be much better.

"what if we can't reach consensus on a single count?' ... does NOT sound good to me.

Without hearing vocal inflections though it's hard to know for sure.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)

7. Well,I guess you could look at that way

Reply to mr_lebowski (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:28 PM

Aug 2018

But that would mean they hung on all 18 counts, and I find that hard to believe. If there is that kind of doubt, then they would have to conclude he's innocent on all.

And if I were asking the question, I would say "we cannot reach a verdict."