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triron

(22,006 posts) Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:27 PM Aug 2018

Seth Abramson: Note implies 99% chance Manafort spends rest of life in prison unless plea deal

or pardoned.

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Seth Abramson: Note implies 99% chance Manafort spends rest of life in prison unless plea deal (Original Post) triron Aug 2018 OP

No plea deal gonna happen at this stage as it's gone to jury beachbum bob Aug 2018 #1

He can reduce his sentence considerably louis c Aug 2018 #2

Federal min sentences involved, so manafort will still serve decades beachbum bob Aug 2018 #9

He can get all minimums and serve concurrent, thus reducing his time to a couple of years. louis c Aug 2018 #14

Not sure if that is possible under federal convictions beachbum bob Aug 2018 #15

They can cut a deal right up until the verdict is announced. SeattleVet Aug 2018 #5

They CAN, But Most Prosecutors Take All Deals Off The Table Once The Trial Starts ChoppinBroccoli Aug 2018 #10

If you are found guilty you can cooperate post conviction in for a sentence reduction. nycbos Aug 2018 #12

At this point I'm not certain a pardon would mean impeachment unless Democrats can gain control jalan48 Aug 2018 #3

Hopefully that (a pardon for Manafort) would be a bridge too far Grammy23 Aug 2018 #6

Abramson is on crack if he thinks 45 is going to get impeached Cosmocat Aug 2018 #7

A pardon wouldn't mean Impeachment regardless maxsolomon Aug 2018 #8

If Trump pardons Manafort on charges that have nothing to do with the campaign hughee99 Aug 2018 #11

This note means he'll be keelhauled, tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail maxsolomon Aug 2018 #4

what if they are not guilty on 17 counts and hung on one? Hamlette Aug 2018 #13

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

1. No plea deal gonna happen at this stage as it's gone to jury

Reply to triron (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:33 PM

Aug 2018

And verdicts all but done. As for pardon, New York State will have manafort in cuffs and facing state level charges.p that trump can't do anything about

louis c

(8,652 posts)

2. He can reduce his sentence considerably

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:36 PM

Aug 2018

if he testifies to the conspiracy between Trump Sr. and the Russians, with dates, times and persons.

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

9. Federal min sentences involved, so manafort will still serve decades

Reply to louis c (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:48 PM

Aug 2018

louis c

(8,652 posts)

14. He can get all minimums and serve concurrent, thus reducing his time to a couple of years.

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:15 PM

Aug 2018

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)

15. Not sure if that is possible under federal convictions

Reply to louis c (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 02:16 PM

Aug 2018

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)

5. They can cut a deal right up until the verdict is announced.

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:38 PM

Aug 2018

But I still can't see it happening; Manafort is counting on a pardon from his buddy. tRump has to be careful, though, because Paulie Numbnuts has another trial with a LOT more evidence coming up next month.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)

10. They CAN, But Most Prosecutors Take All Deals Off The Table Once The Trial Starts

Reply to SeattleVet (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:49 PM

Aug 2018

If he were to offer to completely spill his guts in such a way that the Trump trial would be a slam-dunk, I think they might consider it, but somehow I just don't see that happening.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)

12. If you are found guilty you can cooperate post conviction in for a sentence reduction.

Reply to beachbum bob (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:13 PM

Aug 2018

jalan48

(13,870 posts)

3. At this point I'm not certain a pardon would mean impeachment unless Democrats can gain control

Reply to triron (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:37 PM

Aug 2018

of the House.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)

6. Hopefully that (a pardon for Manafort) would be a bridge too far

Reply to jalan48 (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:41 PM

Aug 2018

For the Republicans determined to give tRump cover. But then again, I am not holding my breath, since we entered an alternative universe some time ago.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)

7. Abramson is on crack if he thinks 45 is going to get impeached

Reply to jalan48 (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:44 PM

Aug 2018

over a pardon for Manafort - putting into question his thoughts entirely.

Dems would need a very sizable margin to impeach in the house cause they would not get a single republican vote, and you WILL have Ds who won't make the vote.

They will N E V E R have the margin in the senate to prosecute impeachment over a manafort pardon - hell, there probably would not be enough of a margin in the senate to impeach him if he hijacked AF1, landed in Russia and handed the nuclear football to Putin personally.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)

8. A pardon wouldn't mean Impeachment regardless

Reply to jalan48 (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:48 PM

Aug 2018

The pardon power is unlimited.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)

11. If Trump pardons Manafort on charges that have nothing to do with the campaign

Reply to jalan48 (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:50 PM

Aug 2018

He won’t even see an impeachment trial, let alone convicted and removed.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)

4. This note means he'll be keelhauled, tarred and feathered, run out of town on a rail

Reply to triron (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 12:38 PM

Aug 2018

blasted into low earth orbit, and exiled to Elba.

sorry to be a cynic, but he'll be found guilty, be sentenced to 5, serve 2. he'll keep his trap shut and do the time; he's a believer.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)

13. what if they are not guilty on 17 counts and hung on one?

Reply to triron (Original post)

Tue Aug 21, 2018, 01:21 PM

Aug 2018

Note: I am anxious about this. If Trump...err I mean Manafort walks, Trump will be more insufferable.

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