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lame54

(35,293 posts)
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:41 PM Aug 2018

This Day May Be A Bust

Cohen agrees to do 3 years w/o cooperating with government
Hopefully in his confession to the judge he will reveal some dirt on Trump

The Manafort jury can't come to agreement on a single charge sounds like a hung jury to me

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This Day May Be A Bust (Original Post) lame54 Aug 2018 OP
Nice try Johnny2X2X Aug 2018 #1
+1 Mrs. Overall Aug 2018 #9
What do you think I'm trying?... lame54 Aug 2018 #10
Lol sure buddy Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #13
Not a strange way. An accurate way you merely infer as 'strange.' LanternWaste Aug 2018 #19
Ive been working on a partial quote... lame54 Aug 2018 #22
Oh bother..... Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #2
LOL, Game over man, game over! FSogol Aug 2018 #6
Ummm..... the Manafort jury has agreement on 17 charges obamanut2012 Aug 2018 #3
When they read the note verbatim... lame54 Aug 2018 #12
Yeah it does Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #15
This is the first I've heard... lame54 Aug 2018 #18
Well now you have heard it. Loki Liesmith Aug 2018 #21
Not 17 - just 8... lame54 Aug 2018 #31
I would think if they were hung on all counts then gopiscrap Aug 2018 #30
You aren't the only one gratuitous Aug 2018 #20
It sounds like the judge is going to insist they decide on that count before he'll accept the others dawg day Aug 2018 #26
If I had to guess . . . gratuitous Aug 2018 #27
The evidence that they seized is cooperating. They don't need Cohen to say a word. irresistable Aug 2018 #4
I agree with you. The Asset will be mentioned in the campaign finance charges. Claritie Pixie Aug 2018 #25
Yeah, I'm not getting all the celebrating around here. cwydro Aug 2018 #5
Why? Because we are a space closer to the finish line. n/t FSogol Aug 2018 #8
I'm with you on wishing to see Cohen facing more pressure, but on the other hand... better Aug 2018 #7
. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #11
Don't laugh at my pessimism... lame54 Aug 2018 #14
It was funny. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #17
Ok... lame54 Aug 2018 #23
You get 3 years for shoplifting 3 years for 20 million in fraud MattP Aug 2018 #16
Have you been reading "The_Donald"? budkin Aug 2018 #24
I hate to say it DonCoquixote Aug 2018 #28
Actually I am feeling better now... lame54 Aug 2018 #29
No. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #33
Was it a bust? N/t .99center Aug 2018 #32
It was glorious lame54 Aug 2018 #34

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
1. Nice try
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:43 PM
Aug 2018

The President's personal attorney just got prison time for paying off a porn star for Trump.

Single charge is a bad way to say 1 charge, they've agreed on 17 charges, and a single charge remains they cannot agree on yet.

lame54

(35,293 posts)
10. What do you think I'm trying?...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:48 PM
Aug 2018

They said they couldn't agree on a single charge
Strange way to word it if they've wrapped up 17 charges and are working on their last one
Maybe they can't agree on any of them

If Cohen does his time with his mouth shut that doesn't help is

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. Not a strange way. An accurate way you merely infer as 'strange.'
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aug 2018

"Strange way to word it if they've wrapped up 17 charges..."

lame54

(35,293 posts)
22. Ive been working on a partial quote...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:59 PM
Aug 2018

I've heard the note read twice minus the last 3 words
Those words change the context completely and i feel better now

obamanut2012

(26,080 posts)
3. Ummm..... the Manafort jury has agreement on 17 charges
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:43 PM
Aug 2018

And is just figuring out the last.

And, you have no clue if Cohen is rolling or not.

lame54

(35,293 posts)
18. This is the first I've heard...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aug 2018

For that count
I've heard it quoted a couple of times w/o that last part

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
30. I would think if they were hung on all counts then
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:19 PM
Aug 2018

they would have said we can't come to an agreement on any counts

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
20. You aren't the only one
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:56 PM
Aug 2018

For some reason, one of the popular news outlets quoted only a portion of the jury's question, which left the meaning ambiguous: Was the jury unable to come to consensus on even a single count of the 18 counts against Manafort, or were they unable to come to consensus on just one count, the other 17 being unanimous?

It's almost as if that outlet quoted the jury's question incompletely on purpose.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
26. It sounds like the judge is going to insist they decide on that count before he'll accept the others
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:10 PM
Aug 2018

What's that about? He thinks they're all going to agree on every count?

This judge sure is troublesome.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
27. If I had to guess . . .
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:15 PM
Aug 2018

The verdict form the parties have agreed to didn't list out each and every count of the 18 counts against Manafort, and redrafting the verdict form would be tedious, not to mention heightening the prospect of an error being made by the jury in filling out a long, complex verdict form. If the jury has told the judge that they've gotten to consensus on every count but one, the judge probably wants a nice, tidy verdict on all counts if he can get it.

 

irresistable

(989 posts)
4. The evidence that they seized is cooperating. They don't need Cohen to say a word.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:45 PM
Aug 2018

I understand your fear on the jury. We will see.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
25. I agree with you. The Asset will be mentioned in the campaign finance charges.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:06 PM
Aug 2018

He can’t possibly not be - it was his campaign. Whether or not it leads to implicating him I don’t know.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
5. Yeah, I'm not getting all the celebrating around here.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:46 PM
Aug 2018

I’ll be happy to celebrate when the verdict rolls in, but not until then.

better

(884 posts)
7. I'm with you on wishing to see Cohen facing more pressure, but on the other hand...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:47 PM
Aug 2018

If what Avenatti is tweeting about the developments of the day opening the path for him to depose Trump under oath, then that very likely means that the relative leniency of the sentence Cohen appears to be facing will be insignificant compared to what else the plea deal means. Any way you slice it though, I think Cohen going down, particularly with regard to campaign finance violations and with the evidence that exists that trump knew about the payments in question, I think this day is going to turn out to be very significant indeed.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. It was funny.
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 03:55 PM
Aug 2018

If I took it as something as other than funny...

There is a glaring line in your op that shows it isn’t pessimism.

lame54

(35,293 posts)
29. Actually I am feeling better now...
Tue Aug 21, 2018, 04:18 PM
Aug 2018

The quote of the jury note that I heard twice was incomplete. They left off the last 3 words and it completely changed the context

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