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Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:46 AM Aug 2012

So, I got this Rope-a-Dope theory about Romney & the tax returns--

Not the the theory that the trolls keep promulgating around here--that rMoney will suddenly dump everything & there will be nothing to find, but one starring Henry Reid, who is playing coy with his source.

I'm betting that ol' Harry has something more to dump, & he's stretching out each morsel for maximum effect, dropping a new tidbit only when the media start to tire of the last one. He's leading with teasers, with the big bombshell(s) to come after the Conventions.

Think October Surprise.

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So, I got this Rope-a-Dope theory about Romney & the tax returns-- (Original Post) Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 OP
I'm up for that. n/t 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #1
From your lips to God's ears :) Freddie Aug 2012 #2
I think you're right Stargazer09 Aug 2012 #3
drip, drip, dip, then BLOOSH -the dam bursts. TheCowsCameHome Aug 2012 #4
That damn Henry Reid better tell Harry Reid everything he knows. Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #5
I used to know someone named Henry Reed. I guess that was the source of Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #8
It happens. Speaking of. Mitt Romney is still a Dr. Reed Richards hair having douchebag. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #10
Please let it be so! CTyankee Aug 2012 #6
The more I think about it, the more realistic my speculation seems. Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #7
You could be right. zeemike Aug 2012 #9
Harry Reid was a boxer... IthinkThereforeIAM Aug 2012 #20
Yep...set him up with the jab zeemike Aug 2012 #25
Don't forget the knockout uppercut :) - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #31
that is what he gits if he tries to tie him up. n/t zeemike Aug 2012 #41
Reid was also chair of the Nevada Gaming Commission. He knows a bit about money laundering. yardwork Aug 2012 #29
Oooooh--You just set off echoes in my head…Adelson--Fuck, could Reid have Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #37
I'm sure that Reid knows a lot about Adelson. yardwork Aug 2012 #38
I still think he's just sniping at this point Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #39
I think there's something else coming also.... ewagner Aug 2012 #11
Take it with a grain of salt. But the rumor is that it's John Huntsman. Whose daughter apparently Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #12
She gave us more than just an interview, she wrote a bang-up article Brother Buzz Aug 2012 #34
The facts tip towards Reid, seeing rMoneys tax evasion and "dressage" deductions in the past uponit7771 Aug 2012 #13
I'm thinking more along something happening around the time of the RNC Convention. madinmaryland Aug 2012 #14
Reid--Huntsman--rMoney-- Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #15
because , I believe , they all know that its not what taxes he paid that is the killer.... pkdu Aug 2012 #22
And To Think DallasNE Aug 2012 #16
No Surprise...Just Reinforcement... KharmaTrain Aug 2012 #17
Romney Tries To Pin This On Obama DallasNE Aug 2012 #18
Ding, ding, ding. Bravo! - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #32
What a deft pugilist! StrictlyRockers Aug 2012 #40
Some of the bits and pieces are already adding up starroute Aug 2012 #19
My guess is that it's not about how much taxes he didn't pay but.... LynneSin Aug 2012 #21
Or ... 1StrongBlackMan Aug 2012 #23
I think Reid is intentionally dragging it out, regardless of whether he has any more to drop. MH1 Aug 2012 #24
Love it! Thanks!! n/t terip64 Aug 2012 #26
Heh, heh, heh :) polichick Aug 2012 #27
Mitt is a dope and Harry has him at the end of his rope. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #28
Latest theory is that the source is Jon Huntsman, Sr. - father of Jon Huntsman. Zen Democrat Aug 2012 #30
IIRC Axelrod or some other senior Obama advisor.... Wounded Bear Aug 2012 #33
I agree; and I think the bombshell will be criminal. Avalux Aug 2012 #35
Agreed. Reid knows that the "rumor" is true. That is why he talked JDPriestly Aug 2012 #36
I think the nothing to find theory could be a true one. Could be. And i am not a troll. applegrove Aug 2012 #42

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
7. The more I think about it, the more realistic my speculation seems.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:06 AM
Aug 2012

What's the secret of good "TIMING!" humor?

Timing is everything. You want to start raising suspicions among the uncommitted, but not let them rise to the point of scaring the Republicans so badly before the convention that they go all chickenshit & nominate someone else. You also want rMoney to get all crazy with his denials & not release his returns before the convention, again not wanting to prompt the Republicans to dump him. You want to deliver the political death blow after they've locked in on him.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
9. You could be right.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:16 AM
Aug 2012

Reid is no dummy about how politics works, and if he wants to defeat the GOP that is how to do it.
And Rmoney is arrogant enough to think he can get away with it cause the GOP has in the past.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
37. Oooooh--You just set off echoes in my head…Adelson--Fuck, could Reid have
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:10 PM
Aug 2012

insider stuff on something here?

I dunno--the Adelson-rMoney connection doesn't go back more than a few months, but…

Reid: Nevada Gaming Commission; Adelson: Big-time Nevada casino mogul.

Most likely nothing here, but I put this up in hopes that it might trigger some thought/speculation/whatever from people who know more about this stuff than I do.

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
38. I'm sure that Reid knows a lot about Adelson.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:14 PM
Aug 2012

Clearly Reid isn't worried that this issue is going to backfire. Reid strikes me as a conservative, careful politician. Not one known for doing or saying risky things. I think he knows that Romney didn't pay taxes for years, or he knows that Romney will never release his tax returns to disprove the accusation.

The problem is not going to go away for Romney or the Republicans.

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
39. I still think he's just sniping at this point
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:41 PM
Aug 2012

and holding the big guns in reserve for after the Conventions.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
11. I think there's something else coming also....
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:22 AM
Aug 2012

Why?


Because Harry Reid isn't stupid. He's accustomed to playing "three-dimensional-chess" with Mitch McConnel (even when chinless Mitch holds the advantage of filabuster) and he also knows how to manage the news cycles....

He wouldn't expose himself to the abuse he's getting in the press, and likewise he wouldn't take a chance of giving Rmoney a cheap victory by being proven wrong or by being proven to be just a "gossip".

He's holding something in reserve.

If I (you) are wrong...then it's the most bone-headed move ever.....but I don't think they do "bone-headed" at this level of politics...at least on our side of the aisle.


Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
12. Take it with a grain of salt. But the rumor is that it's John Huntsman. Whose daughter apparently
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:22 AM
Aug 2012

gave Current TV an interview in which she shit all over the Repuke party.

Brother Buzz

(36,444 posts)
34. She gave us more than just an interview, she wrote a bang-up article
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:30 PM
Aug 2012
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/abby-huntsman/mitt-romney-tax-returns_b_1675711.html


Here's just a taste, it's a very good read:

So, while Romney's taxes might seem like a trivial issue in the dog days of summer, this topic is real and will influence the election. Controversies without a resolution remain just that, a controversy. The media will continue to push for answers on Romney's taxes, and the Obama campaign (and their super PAC supporters) will make sure it remains a big part of the conversation. But, beyond the talking points and politics, Romney continues to send a loud message to voters -- he'll do what is politically expedient at the time, with little concern for transparency. As the economy remains the #1 issue on voter's minds, this election should be Romney's to lose -- and that makes it all the scarier to hypothesize what he is hiding.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
13. The facts tip towards Reid, seeing rMoneys tax evasion and "dressage" deductions in the past
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:23 AM
Aug 2012

...I wouldn't doubt that the guy should be investigated or something

madinmaryland

(64,933 posts)
14. I'm thinking more along something happening around the time of the RNC Convention.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:25 AM
Aug 2012

Throw everything into chaos for the repukes at the Convention.

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
22. because , I believe , they all know that its not what taxes he paid that is the killer....
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 10:59 AM
Aug 2012

its the fact that he stiffed the Mormon church of the full tithe all those years.

Bishop Romney can never release those tax returns.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
16. And To Think
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:33 AM
Aug 2012

Had the Republicans not selected Sharron Angle to run against Reid in 2010 then Reid would probably have lost and no longer be able to command the spotlight.

Look for something significant to surface about 48 hours prior to the start of the Republican convention that will set a negative tone. In this election cycle an October surprise may be too late.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
17. No Surprise...Just Reinforcement...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:36 AM
Aug 2012

If there's any "rope-a-dope" going on here, it's by Rmoney's inept team. There's many ways they could have slapped Reid down but they haven't. I'm sure Harry's got some reliable info (and again, this is an allegation, Reid never said he saw or knew, just others do) as smarmy Willard has made a lot of enemies along the way and there are surely a select number who would love to drop a dime on him.

Reid's tactic has been well played so far...putting a question to an existing question. It wasn't Reid who started the tax issue...it's always been Mitten's glass jaw...he just up the ante and threw a punch that team rmoney still haven't countered. The longer they wait, the more it reinforces a growing meme that Willard is a tax dodge or cheat. While the corporate media doesn't report it...this issue is really sticking in a lot of people's craw. The more the focus is on Willard's wealth the more his negatives rise.

Keep Hammerin' Harry!!

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
18. Romney Tries To Pin This On Obama
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 09:39 AM
Aug 2012

And Reid counters that his source is a Republican, making Romney look stupid and desperate.

starroute

(12,977 posts)
19. Some of the bits and pieces are already adding up
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 10:25 AM
Aug 2012

I tried connecting the dots the other day in a thread that was already dropping:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=1093977

The short version is that since Romney hasn't held a paying job since 2002, much of his income over the last 10 years has probably been from the agreement he worked out with his former Bain partners for them to buy back his ownership of the company. If his ownership shares had been placed in that monster IRA at a nominally low value, there would be no taxes as long as the money remains in the IRA.

This would also explain why it took three years (from 1999 to 2002) for him to negotiate the terms of his departure from Bain -- and why he wasn't able to do anything to make his taxes look better when he started trying to run for president in 2007. He got locked into a very complex deal, couldn't change its terms, and can only conceal and stonewall.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
21. My guess is that it's not about how much taxes he didn't pay but....
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 10:45 AM
Aug 2012

about where he's been voting and the fact that he voted in Massachusetts when he legally didn't have a right to vote there.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. Or ...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:05 AM
Aug 2012

DURING the convention, just before the 1st ballot. That'll be fun to steal the headlines from a/the premier party event and watching those present, that really don't like romney in the 1st place, gain traction with the rest of the gop, that really don't like romney.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
24. I think Reid is intentionally dragging it out, regardless of whether he has any more to drop.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:06 AM
Aug 2012

The longer people talk about it - even if they're criticizing Reid - the better for Dems, because it spotlights Romney's wealth, secretiveness, and overall uncertainty over who this guy really is, except that he sure as hell isn't one of us.

It'll be great if Reid has more. But even if he's bluffing, it's GREAT strategy.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
30. Latest theory is that the source is Jon Huntsman, Sr. - father of Jon Huntsman.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:43 AM
Aug 2012

The elder Huntsman is a Republican, an early Bain investor, a Reid associate in the heirarchy of the LDS church, and an enemy of Mitt.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
33. IIRC Axelrod or some other senior Obama advisor....
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 11:57 AM
Aug 2012

said they had more on Romney. Maybe he was bluffing, but it doesn't matter.

This is a modern day political [ii]Perils of Pauline. Now everybody is waiting expectantly for the next bit to come out, and nobody is listening to Romney's message. Every time something gets mentioned, even FauX has to switch direction and cover it.

Meanwhile, President Obama is still quite above the fray, so to speak, and can concentrate on delivering his message while the R's are playing defense against last week's news.

It's the best Democratic campaign we've seen since Clinton.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
35. I agree; and I think the bombshell will be criminal.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:39 PM
Aug 2012

Look - Romney hasn't released his tax returns, and we all think it's because he hasn't paid any taxes. There's more going on though; such as why Romney has millions in an IRA when it's not legally possible, how he went about stashing $$ overseas, and his Marriott dealings. I think we may all be shocked by what we find out.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
36. Agreed. Reid knows that the "rumor" is true. That is why he talked
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:09 PM
Aug 2012

about it. No income tax. Property taxes? Sales taxes? Capital gains taxes? Maybe.

After all, we know that Romney took a paper loss on his La Jolla property and sought property tax relief based on that claimed loss.

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