an appointment of a suitable Democratic vice president, followed by Trump's resignation.

unless we take the house.

The line of succession only applies if both offices are vacant. That's why I specified Pence goes first, with a suitable appointment to VP. (In case that is not clear, once the VP office is vacant, Trump is permitted to fill it. Speaker of the house does not move into that slot.) Then when Trump resigns, that suitable appointment becomes president.

the whole Trump tower would really have to blow up. What did Pence know and when did he know it. He wasn't at the meeting. I think him getting picked for VP was an actual mistake between Trump and Manafort. Remember the confusion

So I was answering the specific fantasy question asked: I'm only willing to accept that trade if it also includes the additional conditions I listed that would result in an acceptable person ultimately becoming president.

I'm not willing to merely trade a Trump resignation in exchange for pardons for his family, because that trade still leaves us with Pence. The additional conditions I imposed in this fantasy deal would ensure an acceptable president.

Your assertion that my scenario would give us the Speaker of the House as president is incorrect - that's all my second post addressed. Not whether either fantasy scenario had any chance of occurring.

install merrick garland.

and all his obama reversals get deleted. just like the moron.

He's on his way out anyway.

If you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime!

In the future.

I want the whole dirty story exposed.

After all the damage that asshole has done to the country and he world, he doesn't get to walk away with all his ill-gotten money. We need to make an example of him so this heinous fuckery NEVER happens again.

And we need to take down the complicit Republicans who ignored their constitutional duty to check the power of an obvious criminal and Russian asset.

Even when he leaves the presidency (resigns, impeached, serves out his term and not re-elected, etc) he will always want to be in the spotlight someway, somehow. He needs that attention and he will be in our face. Especially if somehow he gets pardoned. He will somehow turn any situation into a win.

I want to see him lose his company and his money along with his family (Jr, Eric, Ivanka, Jared, Eric's wife).

I don't think it will.

It would be great to have this an anthem for the resist movement!

republicans do not get to just walk away and disappear back into private life this time.

A perp walk out of our White House in leg irons is most fitting

A very public trial is mandatory to heal the nation and move forward.

While a pardon would appall me and impeachment investigations would bring me joy, all of that pales in comparison to the danger America as long as this man is President.

I truly believe we are at great risk, every day, of millions of people dying, because we have a mentally unstable man in the oval office.

they were aides in the Nixon White House. This time we drive a stake thru the heart of every adult in this administration!

Of course mother gets to go along and after Jan 2019 with new house in congress then yes

Trump pardons his entire family, plus a bunch of cronies.
Then resigns.
Then Pence pardons trump.

My acceptance on this point is irrelevant. It's not something I can stop.

if the f'ing repukes cheat enough to keep the House... well, I'll risk that.

Otherwise it could be President Pelosi or even... President Clinton.

but only if the Supreme Court vacancy is put on hold until 2020.

The Supreme Court pick will influence our lives for many years.

There will always be at least one juror who will holdout and prevent a conviction of trump.

I despise him and his family, but he needs to be removed from office as quickly as possible.

This is how the conservative perfidy stays alive and breeding.

This going along to get along. This easy way out.

Look how many times it has happened since mid twentieth century!

And they just keep on, advancing toward THEIR long term goals while Democrats back off.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.

Make an example. The Trumps have conspired with a foreign enemy to turn America into their personal casino. With ZERO deference to the Constitution, the American people and -- by extension -- even the welfare of other peoples and the Earth itself.

Seize all their assets. Restrict them from doing business. Indict all crimes. Imprison where appropriate and utilize federal parole under supervision of U.S. Marshals. MAKE AN EXAMPLE and shut down all their avenues of influence.

Start with Iran Contra.

If trump were to resign, impeachment can't happen anyway. Then it's not up to Congress, it's up to the next president in that situation.

pardon.

If there was a way to take away everything he owns and every penny he has, leaving him penniless and living on the streets, that would be justice. It would be way worse for him than prison.

That's it. And the clothes on their backs. See, I'm compassionate!

Pence is just as complict in Russiagate (through his brother Ed and through manafort) and even more extreme than King Con, and what's worse: he knows how to present himself, which makes him all that much more dangerous.

Like many a psychopath.

No pension no NOTHING.

...the fucker needs to pay for his wanton destruction of the natural world and adding to climate change with his shitty policies

If he remains free he will be able to rally his faithful and continue to do damage to American discourse.

Having grown up in New York, and after living there again after I finished my 12 years in the Air Force, I saw what this human-shaped turd has been doing for a LONG time. I really want to see this lying, cheating, stealing motherfucker and his entire self-entitled family be sentenced to pay fines and restitution to the point that they are forced to sell *everything* they have, except for the clothes they were wearing when they are convicted; as part of his sentence, be obligated go on national television for 10 minutes to read an apology to the entire world for fucking everything up so badly and being such a complete asshole for his entire wasted life (and he has to stay on script, under penalty of a shock collar being activated. What the heck, just activate it at random every once in a while anyway, just for the hell of it!); to see his name stripped from every structure, worldwide (except possibly a random Porta-Potty or two); and every last one of these bastards to be held in solitary confinement in exile on Johnston Island, with only a looping feed of Keith Olbermann's commentaries as entertainment, and no contact whatsoever with the rest of the civilized world until the name 'trump' is forgotten, then have his rotting remains be buried in an unmarked grave, topped with an outhouse. He should live the rest of his days in total humiliation.

He deserves no break or leniency at all after the damage he has inflicted for the past 40 years or more.

(Yes, I would be extremely angry, but absolutely not surprised at all if the Dems got a majority in the House and agreed to no impeachment investigations in exchange for Trump's resignation.)

a glorious pipe dream! I'd love to see it happen but can't allow myself to believe that justice would ever be meted out in this fashion.

Own ass, because that is all he cares about.

As embarrassing as it would be to have everything out in public, including a President who is a traitor, it is vital that all the facts emerge and he is held properly to account because I could see a whole new set of conspiracy theories, with the can being kicked down the road. Face up to what was done.

Even if Trump is acquitted in the Senate, almost a sure thing, the process will distract him far more that it ever did Clinton, and Trump would be far more easily distracted and rattled by this than Clinton ever was. Besides, a Senate trial would block much of McTurtle's time that he wanted to spend confirming Trump's (i.e. his) hack judges. Junior is not a sitting President. Junior isn't a sitting anything that affords him protection from prosecution, so that makes him a sitting duck.

What I also want, and only Mueller knows if this is on the back burner or off the radar completely, is a thorough investigation of Pence's funny business as well as Trump's--at least to the extent that he vows publicly not to run in 2020 even if he becomes a short caretaker president between now and then after a Trump resignation.

See the revisionist perspective on Nixon.

No Need. There is no peace without justice.

Then Jared and Ivanka. Screw them all for their roles.

This is so bad that our country needs a full reveal in order to do whatever possible to prevent another Trump. Without that, the conspiracy theorists might destroy democracy. I am amazed at how powerful of a hold bizarre conspiracies have on people now, no matter their education level in my experience.

He needs to be in prison.

The ice rink for skating no longer holds ice to skate upon. Fuck them all, they need to spend a loooong time behind bars, every one of them.

1. the entire family is banished from the country forever; they can fuck off and go live in Russia

2. we put a law in place to ensure that the orange fucker's image is never shown, his voice never heard, his inane ramblings never repeated, and his name never uttered in public ever again--nobody should ever have to see his ugly fucking face or hear anything about him, ever again, for all eternity

3. the whole ugly story of his and his family's crimes is made public, so that we can all learn a lesson from this unfortunate episode and never allow anyone so unsuitable anywhere near the office of president in the future

Trump going to Prison a financially ruined man.

They need to be locked up. They have already shown themselves as traitors. They could sell secrets to a foreign country and endanger everyone.

It's not just about "the Trumps getting the punishment they deserve"; we need to reform the election and governmental system to make it much harder for criminals to get inside it (Senator Warren's current bill would be a good start), and to deter those that will try in the future.

If the Trump family were to get away without conviction, it's harder to convict those below them. And it's harder to kick out the grifters and ideological maniacs. Pence, Zinke, Ross, DeVos, Wheeler and Mnuchin are all dangers to the USA and world, either because of their crimes, or their unwavering devotion to Christian dominionism, ruining the environment, or enriching the 1% at the expense of all others.

If Trump agreed to resign without impeachment, I think I would take that for practical reasons - getting the Senate to convict him in the impeachment process is going to be tough. That would run the risk of Pence pardoning him, but if that happened, rather than "the country in general" or "us" offering the pardon in exchange for his resignation, then it's still easier to say "we have to reform". The pardon becomes Pence's decision, and you can make it an albatross to tie round his neck.

I want to live in a world where BOTH are possible.

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Let’s face it, Trump being in office is a huge motivator Democrats.

Let’s also face the reality that we are a party that loses motivation easily.

Our best long-term hope is that he stays in office until whomever we elect in 2020 takes the office. That lets us use him to push turnout in 2018 and 2020.

Because I want to go into 2021 with the House, Senate and Presidency all in our hands.

If he leaves before then I think our chances of that drop.

We need to start holding everyone accountable (from Nixon to today, including GWB and Cheney) when they break the law. Powerful white men need to understand the rule of law extends to them, too.

entire life. He needs to be held accountable, as do Junior, Dipshit and Princess. I'll have some mercy for Melania who is closer to a person in a hostage situation than a marriage. And, yes, I would be upset with Democrats who opted not to impeach. History would not look back on that kindly.

Also he can't be tweeting in prison so I don't have to watch that everyday on msm

This guy has destroyed many people throughout his rotten career. I want to see every rock turned over to see what is under it. Follow the money, follow the slime. The entire clan belongs in the slammer.

recall, the idea was that it would spare the country from a trial in the Senate. No family members were implicated in Nixon's crimes but a good many close associates did go to jail.

He must be punished more severely than any politician has ever been. America has to send a strong message that this won't be tolerated. The next would be dictator will be far smarter than Trump. America will not survive unless we make it very clear you risk everything and I mean everything if you try to subvert our democracy.

legitimizes criminal acts

Yeah. No.

If we take the house and/or Senate, I never want to hear the words "agree" or "bipartisan" or "sensible solutions".

Why is it only when Dems take control do we have to negotiate or agree to terms or any of that.

Fuck that. If we get power, use that power to take them down and reverse everything they did to damage this country.

...I want his belongings to be confiscated...all his properties liquidated to pay off his back taxes and I want the trump name to be ruined.

Do the crime do the time. Fucking fucks, all.

And nope.

ETA - Second Nope - You said the House Impeachment - but the Senate Layer is there. AND - it's only impeachment. They wouldn't have the authority to stop criminal charges at the state level.

Him, his children, his friends - lots of folks will be going to prison.

If he takes Pence, Ryan, and Turtle Man with him...

..the more their crimes will be exposed.

If he really can then I would say yes

before he does more serious damage.

Is some one getting worried?

But if they forfeited all of their properties and money, I might consider it.

I have this fantasy of Trump enduring a couple of simultaneous Greek mythology tortures --- roll the rock up the hill every day to have it roll down again. And have his liver eaten by a big bird on a daily basis. I think that might satisfy me.