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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:02 PM Aug 2018

The Evidence Is Tipping Toward Impeachment

There will come a point when Trump’s unwillingness to uphold the Constitution is so undeniable that Congress would be remiss to not remove him. We’re getting there.
By Jonathan Bernstein August 24, 2018, 7:41 AM CDT

Ever since Donald Trump fired James Comey, I’ve thought that there was already enough evidence to justify impeaching and removing the president — but we were well short of the evidence demanding impeachment. We’re no longer “well short.” The evidence may not be demanding Trump be removed from office … but it’s at least requesting it.

Maybe firmly requesting it.

It’s not just that we now also know that the president surrounded himself with criminals (some of whom, remember, were also undeclared foreign agents). Nor is it just that Michael Cohen says that Trump directed him to commit a felony. Indeed, if all that Trump had done was to have affairs and illegally pay hush money to cover it up, I’d argue that it wasn’t really even close to enough for impeachment. Worse than what Bill Clinton did, perhaps, in that Clinton merely lied about an affair, but Clinton never should have been impeached.

No, what has really moved the needle on this is Trump’s constant cheap gangster rhetoric and flat-out unwillingness to support the rule of law. For example, it was utterly inappropriate for the president of the United States to comment during Paul Manifort’s trial, including while the jury was out. It undermines the rule of law for the president to constantly run down the Department of Justice, buying into wild and discredited conspiracy theories about how everyone in the government is out to get him and his associates.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-24/impeach-trump-the-evidence-tips-toward-action-against-him-jl7zjnba
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The Evidence Is Tipping Toward Impeachment (Original Post) workinclasszero Aug 2018 OP
I've got Trump fatigue. Goodheart Aug 2018 #1
Nancy Pelosi is against impeachment at140 Aug 2018 #2
She's against it as long as the current House won't vote spooky3 Aug 2018 #5
That's what I figured as well. at140 Aug 2018 #13
I see her point workinclasszero Aug 2018 #8
We won't know until Mueller finishes his at140 Aug 2018 #14
"WTH kind of signal does that send to every future president?" lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #15
Bingo! workinclasszero Aug 2018 #17
I think the republican view will change after the election. unblock Aug 2018 #3
I think you are right, but at this week's pace it might happen before. Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #4
No Pence, No Ryan. No impeachment! Greybnk48 Aug 2018 #6
Maggot is worse MFM008 Aug 2018 #12
Mike Penis should be impeached and indicted too, but even if not, he'll be impotent. lagomorph777 Aug 2018 #16
Pence is religiously deranged. He's mentally ill. n/t Greybnk48 Aug 2018 #18
Yes and just wait till Mueller unloads on him Bradshaw3 Aug 2018 #7
I think he will continue to squat in the White House until 2021 ooky Aug 2018 #9
Oh, we're miles past that point gratuitous Aug 2018 #10
My Way Totally Tunsie Aug 2018 #11
I want that dumbass to hang on as long as possible as evidence piles up against him. Blue_true Aug 2018 #19

spooky3

(34,452 posts)
5. She's against it as long as the current House won't vote
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:14 PM
Aug 2018

To impeach, and the current Senate can’t produce 67 votes to convict.

If that changes, she will likely support impeachment.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
8. I see her point
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:27 PM
Aug 2018

But after we gain control of the House, the brakes must be slammed on this lawless, mob boss President!

I mean WTH, President Clinton got impeached for telling one lie about a sexual escapade!

What will we do when the evidence is clear that Trump sold out this country to Russia in exchange for $$$ PLUS all the felonies involved in his massive cover up of sexual fun & games?

Nothing?????

WTH kind of signal does that send to every future president?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
15. "WTH kind of signal does that send to every future president?"
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 02:46 PM
Aug 2018

Same signal the GOP received when Nixon got off scott-free.
Same signal the GOP received when Reagan got off scott-free.
Same signal the GOP received when Cheny & Bush Jr got off scott-free.

"Go for it! The President and his allies in Congress can get away with murder - literally!"

unblock

(52,227 posts)
3. I think the republican view will change after the election.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:08 PM
Aug 2018

They can't afford for impeachment to happen ahead of the election, that would be a disaster for them even beyond what's already predicted.

But after a midterm shellacking, they won't be so fond of Donnie and may move to oust him quickly.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
4. I think you are right, but at this week's pace it might happen before.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:13 PM
Aug 2018

When the Titanic lists, there is a rush for the lifeboats.

MFM008

(19,808 posts)
12. Maggot is worse
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:56 PM
Aug 2018

Than 10 pences.. with the acts of high crimes and misdemeanors we have a duty to impeach him.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
16. Mike Penis should be impeached and indicted too, but even if not, he'll be impotent.
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 02:47 PM
Aug 2018

Facing an angry Dem Congress, he can shove his Dominionist agenda up his shiny white ass.

Bradshaw3

(7,522 posts)
7. Yes and just wait till Mueller unloads on him
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:22 PM
Aug 2018

Yes, the repubs are spineless and amoral but if they go down in big numbers in November and then Mueller reveals all the slime we expect, and probably more, then even the deplorables won't save their asses.

ooky

(8,923 posts)
9. I think he will continue to squat in the White House until 2021
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:29 PM
Aug 2018

with the feckless Republicans in Congress who refuse to do their jobs. Even if we win the House majority and impeach him there are not the votes in the Senate to convict him. Not until his base turns on him, and I don't see it.

I think Mueller needs to indict him and let the chips fall where they may.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
10. Oh, we're miles past that point
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:34 PM
Aug 2018

The hold-up is a craven Republican party that can't hold itself accountable for anything. That's it. There's nothing more to it. It's the Republicans in Congress and only the Republicans in both houses of Congress. History should not be kind to them.

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
11. My Way
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 01:42 PM
Aug 2018


And now, the end is near
And so I face the final curtain
My friend, I'll say it clear
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain

I've lived a life that's full
I've traveled each and every highway
But more, much more than this
I did it my way

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
19. I want that dumbass to hang on as long as possible as evidence piles up against him.
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 12:54 AM
Aug 2018

The longer he hangs on, the more damage he does to republicans.

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