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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsUnlike Some, I Will Not Attack John McCain as He Lies Dying
That would violate my basic ethical compass. I could find bad things to say about him, as well as good ones. I will comment on neither. His passing will be an event, like the passing of everyone. Some will mourn him. Some will not. I will simply mark his passing as the end of someone's life. At a time like that, I have nothing to contribute by either praising him or damning him.
He was a man of some note. His name is widely recognized. He will be remembered in various ways. Dignitaries will attend his funeral. His family and friends will attend as well. I will not, because I am none of those things. I will simply note his passing. It is an event we all face, and it should pass without a great deal of commentary, I believe.
Here on DU, we are familiar with him, and he has been the topic of discussion here in the past. Now, he is dying. There's not much to discuss about that. It's a common enough event. So, I won't belabor his life. It is almost over. Let the man die and his family and friends mourn. It is none of my business, really.
spanone
(135,832 posts)Armymedic88
(251 posts)Any true Dem would use repuke tactics of attacking someone on their death bed! 100% agree with your post! Thank you
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)It has more to do with the recognition of that passage as the end of a life - something we all face for ourselves and in those we know. Respect for life itself, I think, demands that we let that passage happen without much comment if we do not actually know the person ourselves. Whoever the dying person was, that no longer is the case near and at the end. It is just another person passing out of existence.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)In fact I'm taking dancing lessons in sweet, sweet anticipation that he chokes on a bucket of KFC very soon.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)That line is going to be loooooooooooooooooooooooong.
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)MFM008
(19,808 posts).....
Wounded Bear
(58,656 posts)there are some that I might go that route, but John is not really on that list.
Let his family mourn in peace.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Unlike some of you, I will not make up praise for John McCain as he lies dying.
I have seen numerous posts that absolutely rewrite history for him in a positive manner. I have also seen him unjustly criticized.
It's a great time to talk about his body of work. And when talking about the last couple of decades, it can be described as shit.
You highlight your lack of personal connection. His death shouldn't have such a strong impact on your ability to speak honestly about him.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)figure later. We discussed him during his active live. This is a brief period, the act of dying. There's no need, nor benefit, to discussing him now. That's my opinion.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You don't have the ability to stop it.
"There's no need, nor benefit, to discuss him now."
This is when politicians careers are most often rewritten for the positive. McCain will garner almost no news after the next month. Almost no mentions. This is the end.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)It's not really an invitation to an argument.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,693 posts)The evil that men do lives after them while the good is oft interred with their bones.
Im not going to attack him on his deathbed.
snowybirdie
(5,227 posts)We are not the haters the other party is, and have compassion for a fellow human being
Hekate
(90,686 posts)Let the man pass in peace, let his family and friends grieve -- and for gods' sake, let his body at least cool.
We can be better than this.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)my wife will log on as me here on DU and mention that I won't be around any more. It won't matter to me what people say in reply to that post, but it will to her. Anyone's death is a time for simply recognizing that someone has lived and lives no more. There's plenty of time before that and sometime after that to sing the person's praises or write condemnatory words.
As you say, it's a matter of common decency.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)MrScorpio
(73,631 posts)CentralMass
(15,265 posts)edhopper
(33,579 posts)are wary of his coming sainthood in the media.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)I may or may not agree with what is said. I speak only for myself. When someone dies, I keep any negative judgment of that person to myself for a time, if I have negative things to say. If I have praise, I might express that, but not negativity. It's not the time for that.
edhopper
(33,579 posts)than I.
Crabby Appleton
(5,231 posts)all american girl
(1,788 posts)What you said Mineral Man.
ailsagirl
(22,897 posts)gay texan
(2,448 posts)I can't wish him Ill on his death bed.
He was instrumental (along with John Kerry) in getting the remains of US personnel returned from Vietnam bringing closure to a lot of people. He did good in that instance, and I thank him for that.
A lot of things he has done I won't forgive him for, but I can only hope he has a moment of clarity before he goes.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)secondwind
(16,903 posts)both during war and in government service.
Martin Eden
(12,867 posts)... it is appropriate to reflect on the life of that person.
Honestly and objectively, with the intent to understand the person in the context of public life and influence.
Good, bad, or complicared mix, let the truth be told.
CaptainTruth
(6,591 posts)Enoki33
(1,587 posts)rzemanfl
(29,557 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)McCain gave us 23 years of his life in the US Navy (1958-1981), including 5 1/2 years as a POW during which he lost much use of his arms.
Trump hasn't given America a damn thing.
rzemanfl
(29,557 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)- a frail, obviously sick Senator looks into the camera and says : "My fellow Americans, before I embark on the final "campaign" of life, let me tell you Donald Trump is an illegitimate president, a traitor and a criminal. It is now time for any Republican who refuses to do his or her job in removing him, to be removed themselves by YOU the voter"
This is what I wish he would do, but if he doesnt, hats off to a survivor who survived a long time because that is what my Father would have said, so in my father's memory:
hats off
question everything
(47,479 posts)when he campaigned and a woman in the audience was lamenting that Obama was an Arab (I think, not that it should have mattered) and he replied: no ma'am. He is a decent patriot with whose opinions I disagree. (Some thing like that).
flibbitygiblets
(7,220 posts)which now that I think of it, would have been preferable to Suckabee Slanders.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)And despite often being disappointed in him... I am glad that he never rolled over for Trump the way Graham has.
PatSeg
(47,430 posts)just because he is dying (something I find very offensive), I certainly will not dredge up everything negative feeling I have had about the man. Surely we can treat him and his family with compassion and dignity, as I think that reflects who most of us are.
All that said, I will say that McCain had some shining moments, moments that pitted him against his own party many times. I wish there had been more, but at least he gave us the "thumbs down" when it really counted.
I am so tired of being angry, so I am going to reserve that anger for those who deserve it the most right now.
I have to say you will not hear me say any of this when Trump passes. There are exceptions to every rule.
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)luvallpeeps
(935 posts)PufPuf23
(8,776 posts)Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)have caused life and death situations for many? I think, at least as DU is concerned, it would be rare to see a malicious, mean spirited attack on the man. We have a lot more class than if the shoe were on the Republican foot. I cant forgive him for Palin but sure do appreciate the thumbs down on the ACA repeal vote. I wonder if he were not sick, would he have still voted that way.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I disagreed with him policy-wise, but as a person, he was as good as any of us are. And respect is called for, when someone is dying.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Well done.
MineralMan
(146,308 posts)Write a snarky reply. Thanks for your time.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)So I felt a duty to post a response. Apologize for the snark, but that was my take.
Submariner
(12,504 posts)For those interested, McCain appears at time 05:32. It was amazing he survived the flight deck fire.
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john657
(1,058 posts)It's a tribute to his will to live that he survived the USS Forrestal fire and being a POW.
Raine
(30,540 posts)appreciated and needed.
MurrayDelph
(5,294 posts)He did some really shitty things, and was frequently stubborn.
But he also stopped the woman during his rally who called Obama "an Arab"
He held a grudge for quite a while for losing the Presidency, but eventually worked for what he thought was a better country.
And if it weren't for him, my wife would not have health insurance right now.
So, in the long run, he was human.
That's more than what we can say about most of the remaining Republicans in Washington.
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)I think anyone who is republican is misguided but some are a little less misguided and way more honorable. He did stand up to Orange Creep and that puts him way up on toadies like Mitch McChinless and Ayn Rand devotee Paul Ryan.
And what that idiot said about him not being a hero because he was captured was unconscionable.
And anyone who voted for him, who thought he was of White House caliber, has something wrong with their thought process. He is an embarrassment to our Country, a disgrace.
lovemydogs
(575 posts)I come from a time and from a family where attacking a dying or dead person is unseemly.
They cannot do anything about it to fight back.
Attacking them, someone dying or dead, is for people like Trump.
At this time, we should be decent, have some class and show a sense of our own honor.
I find attacking a dying person cheap
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Heartstrings
(7,349 posts)liberaltrucker
(9,129 posts)I recall during Pat Nixon's funeral, the networks showed Mr Nixon sobbing
uncontrollably. As much as I hated Richard Nixon, the President, I had
empathy for Richard Nixon, the human being.
However, if I'm alive when Trump buys the farm, all bets are off.