For anyone to kick a person when he's dying...I don't know...there's a special place in hell for them. Wouldn't wish cancer on my worse enemy, nor would I kick anyone who is on their death bed. Always remember, Karma is a bitch. So DU'ers, keep cool and show some class.

Thank you.

He said “it’s not about who they are. It’s about who we are.”

To the gravedancers........

first of all he is repuke...he enabled all this bullshit from the 1980's on

also he did a lot of things and voted on a lot of legislation that hurt the nation

third, he's not dead yet...

and the sooner the Dems get in the gutter and fight dirty as hell (not break the law) but do everything else as close to it as possible, the more we will win elections...fuck people's feelings it's time to go for the throat

don't canonize shitbag McCain, he was never a Democrat's friend or supporter

What kind of war hero dies on a deathbed?

Someone's who's not a friend or supporter of your political party is worthy of hatred and disdain while on their death bed? You are the problem.

When the ideals of someone are antithetical to yours, you can say the word "enemy".

It ain't to me.

we will lose the Republic

It certainly won't gain us a single vote, win a single election, or change our electoral position in any way. It's just nasty and cruel. Period.

Very Trumpian in how it gives the impression of being tough, but is actually just mean.

is that the people who win that way forget they're supposed to stop being mean when they start governing.

And then they're indistiguishable from the people they think they needed to emulate in order to win.

No, thank you. If you want mean, I suggest you look somewhere besides the Democrats. We can win without taking on the worst characteristics of our opponents.

otherwise we will lose our country

No one wins in a race to the bottom.

It will just be more of the same. And we will have lost our souls.

Bad karma. Smh.

The stronger and tougher we are, the better chance we have of surviving.

A sign of strength is empathy and decency, the more we show that, the stronger we are.

I imagine you actually believe your allegations.

Your point is well taken.

I suggest that every one of our people that are running for office should take up the slogan:

"Fuck people's feelings, and don't canonize shitbag McCain"

Perhaps it could even be a plank in our platform.

Either way, I'm sure that would win as a lot of elections.

Isn’t it two faced to change our tune when someone is sick? Is everyone above reproach when on their deathbed? One can continue to state their disagreements without slandering the one who is about to disengage from this chaotic exercise in humanness. Can’t they?

I can add you to my ignore list as soon as I finish this post.

I feel such deep empathy for the McCain family because I watched my Dad die of the same affliction. I know what they are seeing and going through, and it is awful. I can only hope they fill find some peace, knowing that his pain and agony are coming to an end.

Empathy for him, I got none!!!

they enabled the bastard in his political career of fucking over the poor and voiceless

Admittedly, my take on this is highly influenced by my own experience with losing two family members to brain cancer. While I don't really know what stage he's at, I can only wish, for him and for his family, that his exit will be easier than what I saw my sister and my father go through.

that McCain voted with the Dems to save the ACA? Shame

without hate in your heart. My 94 year old mother became a Democrat later in life because she saw that Democrats were tenacious in their fight, yet remained "happy people", and she wanted to be one of them. Hate divides and destroys the person who holds it in their heart, it does not affect the object of the hate.

If you followed senate hearings and floor fights, he was a warrior in the front line. I did not always agree with him, but when the chips were down, he was a voice of reason. The one thing that he did that greatly disappointed me was choosing Sarah Palin as his running mate. That choice was actually made for him by the RNC. His stepping up against Muslim hatred when he ran against Barack Obama was awesome and he came under fire from his base for doing that. He was a voice of reason and proponent of bipartisan bills, which also said a lot for him. Give the man credit for what he got right.

false praise for the times when I think he got it wrong which in my opinion was often.

The less capacity for empathy there is to be found.

I consider myself pretty far left, and though I abhor many of the things McCain has done, particularly imposing Sarah Palin on us—and he often sold out, even by his own standards, I think. But I don’t believe he is completely without merit. He would have been a better president (sans Sarah) than Bush was.
He certainly deserves empathy and I find myself even feeling a bit sad for him and his family. He was, at least, of a generation of politicians who would work across the isle on occasion for the sake of the country.
I fear we may never see that again, and his imminent passing feels symbolic of that.

I took a peek at one of those places, and they are just being disgusting

I'm proud of that.

Kick and recommended.

Thank you.

The consensus here was there were worse Republicans and his passing was sad. There was one poster who used the occasion to lambaste him whose name I forgot and started multiple threads to that end. Skinner intervened gently.

I was about to sign off of DU until after McCain passes because I'm so disgusted and embarrassed at seeing my fellow Democrats behave this way and don't want to be anywhere near or associated with this kind of cruelty and heartlessness.

Your OP makes me feel much better and I hope you've helped to bring people to their senses.

I've been on DU for almost 15 years now and have never celebrated somebody's death nor danced on their graves. (OK, I admit was tempted with Scalia - and look how that turned out)

I'll either say that their family has my condolences or I don't say anything at all.

I knew it would get ugly at the end. I'm glad this thread gives an opportunity for people of like mind to show up.

Sure, some folks were financially ruined in the collapse of the savings and loan industry, just to name one episode of John McCain's long political career. But is that any reason to be upset now that the author of your misery is dying in the bosom of his family, peaceful and comfortable, with his final care being paid for by our tax dollars while his heirs tote up their respective shares of his estate?

there's plenty of Rethugs to criticize without attacking a dying man. His story has been written, for better or worse; there is no reason to add vitriol from DU.

John McCain can pretty much kiss my ass and so can the entire GOP. They have fostered a climate of hate and corruption in the United States and the world for decades now, and I will not waste a single moment pretending to care about his passing or the passing of any of the other degenerates that have supported and built this evil party.

If that makes me an asshole so be it. I'd rather be an authentic asshole who never compromises on my principles or isn't true to my feelings than a phony asshole who pretends to feel something he doesn't. I feel no compassion for him or any other member of his fascist, degenerate party and the sooner they go extinct the better off the entire planet will be.

Good riddance John McCain.

a war championed by McCain, yes, I will enjoy my authenticity in condemning those responsible and not pretending like there's anything to admire about them. You can feel free to ignore them in favor of your privileged, feel-good "classiness" and empty "moment of reconciliation." I won't.

you so obviously don't want to understand. Hope tomorrow is a better day for both of us..

I also am going to get great satisfaction of knowing that the Traitor in Chief will not be welcome and actually asked to not participate in his memorial and funeral. And I even am hoping that McCain has left a parting video message.

And then when the Tangerine Tyrant insults McCain post-mortem, that some in the GOP finally wake the fuck up....

Not likely, unfortunately. They’re so far gone that I don’t think anything will wake up those cultists.

“If they do not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” (Luke 16:31).

McCain, or Jesus Christ for that matter, could come back and they still wouldn’t listen.

Of course, the deplorables also think the people they hate are awful, so their cruelty toward them is justified.

In other words, they think they're different, but they're just the same in this regard.

They fail to see how their cruelty makes them bedfellows with those they hate.

Some of the vitriol I've seen posted about McCain is 100% appropriate for a person like Donald Trump, but McCain has done a hell of a lot more to serve this country than Trump ever did, or ever will.

He wasn't perfect, & I disagreed with him on a lot of things, but I will give him credit where credit is due.

Every human being deserves that.

That we also refrain from hagiographic pre-obituaries. Or, for that matter, hagiographic actual obituaries when the time comes.

It's sad but there are a number of posters on here who are filled with as much hate and anger as those they hate.

I have great respect for the John McCain, who as a POW refused an early release. The North Vietnamese offered him an early release to score propaganda points because of his father's position. He refused and suffered greatly for that decision. But, John McCain the Republican politician I have no respect for. That John McCain has done much harm in my opinion and will be glad he is no longer in the Senate.

Brothers & sisters in arms, whether you love him or not (I don't), respect his FLY Navy service. He voluntarily went in harm's way when many others dodged. He risked his life for our country countless times. He had cojones in uniform, but too infrequently in the Senate. After he passes, we will muster rainbow sideboys (if you think this is funny look it up) and honor him by piping him over the side. Then we get back to the business of un-phucking what Mr. Trump has wrought. U.S.N. (Ret).

...so that sometimes we need to be reminded of other things.

I wish he and his family peace.

She is one of the lucky ones with a 7% chance of return.

It is awful.

We'll all meet the end. Sooner or later. Some of us get the time to reflect on what we we've left this world. What we were, who we were, what we fought for, and how we lived. Some of us die suddenly without that chance. Death is all of our destiny. NOW is the time to fight for what you believe in. What will the world, the people we've met, the people we've touched say about us? This isn't a rehearsal. This is our life. John had a platform to shape policy. What he did with it, is what he did. Maybe he'll have regrets. Our own regrets are what should matter to us.

History is full of despicable characters. History is also full of characters who we simply do not agree with. They all eventually pass on to whatever fate awaits them....if anything.

My issues with him were political, and I still admire him for not falling into the "Obama is an Arab" thing.

May his next journey be peaceful and his family's broken hearts mend.

Let's not forget, someday each and every one of us will pass.

I have nothing but best wishes for him and his family. As much as I disagree with them, they love each other a lot.

The vast majority of DUers are with us. Most and many are saying: while I disagree with his policies, I wish he and his family peace.

That is common decency. That is not "heaping accolades" as the one hater ignorantly claims

The haters do not reflect DU

John McCain behaved well as a POW, by many (more than half, depending) accounts.



John Wayne Gacy was, for 89% of his life, an exemplary person, looking at all the evidence. He only strayed a little.

Pol Pot was educated in the best schools, and became a teacher.

Hitler treated his dog well, by all accounts.

And all of them behaved badly at many, many other times, but, if common decency means speak no ill of this or that person, there you go: that’s what you’re asking for.

To John Gacey?

Next, didn’t compare any one person to another, just showing what happens when you decide hagiography is the appropriate reaction to death, instead of an accurate assessment of their lives. Okay by you?

Buried them under his house. To compare a man like john McCain is horrible.

The last vote John gave was to not destroy the ACA. That is why Trump hates him.

After calling John not a hero, john saved the ACA for millions of Americans.

So no matter if John was a Republican he was a hero when young, another heroic act at the end!

Instead, we allege it's merely an 'assessment' to better maintain our self-righteousness.

Additionally, as no one is calling McCain a saint, your allegation of 'hagiography' seems little more than melodramatic petulance, regardless of the peevish irrelevance of whether it's "Okay by you."

He was one of the main characters in a sad era of American politics. I never bought his maverick act or his "decent' act. When push came to shove he was an arrogant war monger who never really bucked his party or the status quo. he was anti Trump because he was jealous of him getting elected when he couldn't. Whenever I think of the million or so dead from Iraq I think of him. He is right up there with Henry Kissinger as a war criminal in my mind. He always was allied with the hateful right wing bigots and his whole 2008 campaign was mostly about racism. The fact that he stayed away from racism, himself, doesn't change the fact that he laid down with the dogs. Only in America would experience bombing people and being a POW count for qualifications for the Office of President.
Having said that, it s pointless to flog him in the militarily brainwashed American mind. We need to let it go amd move on.

and go high. I can appreciate the good things he did. I won't forget his faults but this is not the time.

Hope the family tells Trump he is not welcome at the funeral.

Dotard could always send a video.

Classy guy that Dotard is.

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McCain is responsible for a lot of bullshit that has transpired over the years, and no, he is not an honorable person. . . . Whether he is dying or not, that doesn't change the fact that he is one awful motherfucker.

Just because he opposes shit-for-brains (Tangerine Pig), doesn't make him Mr. Wonderful.

and who is crap.

I've never thought much of the man's politics, but he has served the country for most of his life. For that, he deserves respect. The man has more dignity in his latest stool sample, than anonymous keyboard warriors that are taking cheap shots at him at the end of his life.