Seriously. All the OR splinter groups have moved on and don't even mention him on their web sites. Have any come up with a possibly viable (for them) candidate yet? That's what I'd like to hear from someone who's paying attention.

It's a poll from NH, just published.

for cap-P Progressive/social democrats if you happen to come across some excitement. I have looked at what those new groups have been saying in the past year.

Sanders spoiled his brand with some and failed to come through for all. His role right now seems to be as place holder until leadership shifts to one or more vying to be what comes next. Of course, if no one else showed up to elbow him aside, he'd be it again, or still, if he chose to run.

Or if someone who we've already been talking about gains some momentum. My thought is that Kamala Harris could be that person.

Sanders, the placeholder, as their candidate, not someone to emerge as the Democratic Party candidate—two different things.

Seems a strange reaction.

In 2016.

from whitest state in the nation.

L'Chaim!

This isn't saying much at all. The base is not comprised of 2 million people in the smallest whitest states.

Of course Sanders is the favorite in New Hampshire. Him *not* being favored to win NH (and IA and many other states) is what would constitute news.

There were only 2 candidates in 2016 after Iowa (when O'Malley dropped out). Only 1 of them is expected to run in 2020. Needless to say, that individual is going to do well in polls a year and a half before the 2020 primary season begins (and before any serious contender has announced his or her intention to run). Most people aren't political junkies and name recognition dominates right now.

I find it hard to believe that anyone honestly thinks Sanders will be the nominee, but I shouldn't be surprised given how many people were insisting he was going to be the nominee in 2016 well after it was clear that Clinton had it wrapped up (by the 2nd week of March). There's basically no chance that Sanders will be the nominee.

This does, though, provide me yet another opportunity to comment on how much I hate that Iowa and New Hampshire kick things off. Traditions have a lot of staying power, but neither state is even remotely representative of our electorate.

Not an op-ed or an opinion piece. Just poll data.

Over and over and over for years.

I know "Pecker" jokes are more popular right now, but some folks are actually interested in having real conversations about upcoming elections and primaries.

Edit to add: Very proud to say I have helped elevate the dialogue here and initiated thoughtful discussion and analysis on a variety of relevant topics.

Glad to have inspired such a joyful emoji.

On a serious note, we're all in this together. The key is to defeat Republicans in the midterms and in the general. Whether it's Bernie or Biden or Harris or any of the other great options out there - we will eventually all rally behind them, hopefully to victory.

to sow division.

I haven't come across any since the primary - where things did get really ugly.

the damage being done to our country, and some believe in their great wisdom this would be the best time to divide Democrats at a time when we need unity more than ever.

Gee, I thought we had to get through the midterms first, but I guess a poll of Democrats, when NO DEMOCRAT HAS OFFICIALLY SAID THEY ARE RUNNING, and one person refuses to even identiry as a Democrat somehow means this poll means something.

The same can't be said of others in this thread.

than a statistically useless (7% MOE!) minor poll from a tiny state - in itself statistically irrelevant (95.0% white!) - two + years prior to an election.


Speaking of elevating dialogue, just notice how many punctuation marks I included in my response.

Impressive, huh?

Personally, I find the polls more interesting than the jokes. Maybe a few other folks do as well (maybe not).

I count twelve punctuation marks - did I miss any?

If the people of the United States wants Bernie Sanders to lead the country, on a Democratic ticket, then what's the harm to the Democratic Party?

I ask, as a Bernie voter and a Clinton voter. I don't understand the extreme hate on Bernie Sanders.

They are both great.

To run in 2020.... bernie is an independent. This is not bernie hating!! Just like Hillary she had her chance, it’s gone. Again.. bernie is not going to be the dem candidate for 2020. I do think IMHO and hope as many others do that bernie will not run in 2020. He will not win as an independent and it will hand us another 4, possibly more years of a broken repuke administration. Please please consider how this could possibly play out.

then declined the nomination, when he won.

Therefore, he is eligible for the 2020 Democratic primaries.

...no matter how many games he plays in his teeny tiny home state.

You are new here and maybe you have a different description from another website or something since you don't mind using it here so soon without being familiar with the site. I know Twitter is very active nowadays. Please describe "Bernie hater". Thanks.

Let's say Bernie ends up being elected popularly by the voters, there will ALWAYS be hardcore Bernie haters that blame Clinton's loss in 2016 on Bernie or other less-known candidates like Stein or Johnson.

It's time for them to move on (I have, since mid-2017) and work on the greater goal, achieving not only the blue wave, but the blue tsunami not seen or felt in the U.S. history.

See my signature. New Era Colorado rocks!

the content I've seen, probably because what you describe sounds like just plain ol' informed Democrats. Informed about what negatively impacts our party, what the current news is, meaning looking at the bigger picture other than just one man. Looking at current news that shows how our party was sabotaged -- staying informed about current events such as the Mueller indictments, Trump's impending downfall based on those Mueller/Federal lawsuits. Informing the public about how many voters were duped with negative information about Democrats and how third party types undermined our nominee. That's what the majority of voters do, so it's time to move on from his loss in 2016, that is true.

or sowing division, they probably have an irrational hatred of Sanders.

considerations are about Sanders, or at least telling people to “stow it” if they have other preferences.

which is probably why they seem so familiar. Bernie does seem to have a preference for remaining Independent, so we should respect his wishes. Lots of great Democrats out there.

about him being a Democrat.

And at its base it has nothing to do with Sanders.

Who is not (and this is not hating on him, just true) a Democrat. He's not a Democrat, so polls saying how popular he is in the tiny states of New Hampshire and Vermont are completely beside the point.

If this hurts your feelings, perhaps Democratic Underground is not for you.

I think some do certainly, and that forms a lens for political analysis. Thanks for your post.

Don't have time anymore. 2018 and 2020 are too important to get caught up in it again.

On the independent underground?

By a significant margin.

Presumably, that indicates that he was/is popular among Democrats in that state.

Which makes sense because he is a very popular senator from a neighboring state.

...which you keep bringing up... Who Cares! Try thinking about the 2018 primaries that are weeks away.

Move on please.

I'm certainly interested in learning more about upcoming Democratic primaries and candidates.

I'll do some research!

DS could ever offer.

Too poor and too small.

He's stated that he wants an establishment party to carry him, and he uses Tad Devine's experience to make things go more smoothly.

I can't imagine that the DS's would tolerate Tad being attached to any candidate of theirs.

His favorable/unfavorable numbers had "never heard of" as the top option with about 70+ percent well into 2015.

New Hamshire polling being what it is and all

Not only will I vote for him, I will beat doors down to get voters out for Bernie.

Or any other Democratic candidate for 2020. See my signature

Ain’t gonna happen! They were very firm in their resolution

It will be interesting to see how things play out.

Here are the full results:

https://htv-prod-media.s3.amazonaws.com/files/presidentialprimarypollunhaug2018-1535067149.pdf

Just as in 2016, Sanders won't come close to winning the nomination, but he should do quite well in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Of course, as I've been saying for years, I don't think IA and NH should be leading things off. I see no reason beyond tradition why those states should be first. They aren't remotely representative of our electorate.

Seems like it would be a pretty critical early state for her to win. Especially since, like Bernie, she is also from right next door.

It is impressive how quickly he was able to go from being a relative unknown to a household name.

...being the alternative to a polarizing frontrunner. He stayed in the race long past the point at which it was evident he would lose. Naturally, he garnered a ton of attention.

See post #66.

And he's not very charismatic.

I think the evidence supports that claim.

For reasons already stated.

What he did that was smart (or self-serving, depending on your point of view) was run when he did. 2016 was the perfect storm, so to speak. If 2020 were to be his first attempt, he wouldn't have nearly as much success.

In any case, it seems that we are basically in agreement. It will be interesting to see what transpires in 2020.

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and since no one in the DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAS ANNOUNCED THEY ARE RUNNING, this poll is bullshit, but most importantly, after 2016 he couldn't be quick enough to disassociate himself as identifying as a Democrat, and DEMOCRACTIC voters remember that, and don't appreciate people using the Democratic party to further their political ambitions. You can fool somebody else, but it isn't going to happen again, and he isn't going to get the nomination.

NH has NEVER been representative of the country as a whole, nor have they been particularly accurate in determining a parties nominee.

But this is good divisionary shit to bring up before the very critical primaries, and I find it curious why some find it amusing to bring such issues that can tend to divide Democrats at a time before the midterms when Democrats need unity more than every


Good job

Everyone is welcome to respond with "hm that's interesting" or "who cares" or anything in between. No reason to fight or get upset. Lots of great potential candidates out there. Worth noting that a solid chunk of them are supportive of Sanders, at least in NH. The primary process will be a long road and I'm sure we will have an argument or two here about who would be the best choice - and that's OK too.

Mucho appreciado brother.

I know it's early, but it's always kind of interesting to see where things stand at various points in various places.

Sorry to see you got so much shit for it....

I like it. Along with:

“Bernie who?”
Etc etc

As someone who gladly voted for Sanders, I appreciate it.

It will be interesting to see what Bernie decides to do.

He is not a member of the party. Caucusing with Democrats still does not make him one.

He is free to run as a party of one, but there no way in hell the Democratic party allows a non-Democrat to vie for the nomination again. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. There is no shame in telling Bernie he's on his own.

He'll register as a Dem and then go back to being registered as an independent after he drops out of the race. Assuming he runs, which seems likely.

As does Elizabeth Warren.

And Warren announced that she wouldn't be running.

“I am not running for president in 2020. I am running for the Senate in 2018," Warren told reporters during an appearance at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/402868-elizabeth-warren-says-focused-on-senate-race-not-on-running-for-president


US Sen. Elizabeth Warren said she plans to serve out her six-year term if she's re-elected this year.

"It's certainly my plan," Warren, D-Cambridge, told the Dorchester Reporter's news editor Jennifer Smith during a town hall at the Boston Teachers Union building.

https://www.masslive.com/news/index.ssf/2018/04/i_am_not_running_for_president.html

Interestingly the article you shared from the Hill includes that quote in spite of her remarks.

Do you think she'll end up running or no?

that she's "the" candidate for the left. I don't think there is one yet.

Things happen to the frontrunners, and new candidates rise.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1570071,00.html

Edwards 36%

Clinton 16%

Obama 13% - so I take that back - he was on the horizon, but just barely.

http://content.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1570071,00.html

Check out this article from Nov. 2006:

From a month before the TIME article.

This is a poll out of NH about Democrats. Nothing really for any right-wingers to pounce on that I can see. Just basic factual data showing that Bernie continues to be fairly popular among Democrats in NH at this point. Which should not be surprising.

And then rally behind whoever wins the nomination.

That's what Democracy is all about.