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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 07:19 PM Aug 2018

Three important and good things that John McCain did that I can attest to.

1) POW

In 1980 I had been through the nightmare years of the refugee crisis in SE Asia after the war and we begun to have time to actually meet and converse with others. At a lunch with JVA (they did the second tier interviews in the camps after they had received refugee status by UNHCR). There were a lot of characters in the group but one of the fellows at my table was both impressive and strange by turns. He obviously had advanced studies (Harvard), was fluent in Vietnamese, had a gentle spirit but had odd behaviors like giggling at odd times or just spacing out.

Turns out he was an AID official who worked with internal refugees in Vietnam and was captured by the Viet Cong where he was kept in jungle prisons and on the run from 1966 to 1973. At a later date we were in a camp together and got to talking. He was a very open person and I told him that I was interested in anything he felt comfortable telling me about during his captivity. He told me that he literally had lost his mind in captivity and was slowly rebuilding his mind but sometimes he would just lose it. Not violent but just unable to sustain touch with reality.

I began to hear more first person stories about captivity in Vietnam. The Hanoi Hilton was a real American village, meaning that there were strongly held opinions that both overlapped and conflicted with each other. the officers there included everyone on the American spectrum on the war from those that thought it was America's greatest mistake to those who were hoping to return to fight again.

John McCain's 23 mission in resulted in being shot down and he landed hard with two broken arms and a broken leg and almost drowned landing in a lake. When he arrived in Hanoi he was not given medical attention and was given the painful rope torture until his captors realized that his father was Supreme Commander of Naval forces in Europe. Now he was sent to a hospital where he lost 50 pounds. He was sent to another camp where his cellmates thought he was going to die. From 1968 he spent two years in solitary confinement.

McCain's father was named commander of Naval forces in Vietnam. The Vietnamese both tortured McCain and offered him immediate release. There were lots of prisoner exchanges at the time.

The only thing that united ALL of the Americans was the first in and first out principle. No jumping the line. People familiar with McCain's treatment at the time did not expect him to survive, but he turned down the opportunity to leave early. In doing so he risked his life for other Americans who were living on the edge of sanity. Although my new friend in Malaysia didn't know McCain he marvelled at the sacrifice and was sure that it was instrumental in giving others enough will to survive.

2) Adoption

In 1991 Cindy McCain visited a hospital sponsored by Mother Teresa in Bangladesh. It was during a terrible time in Bangladesh where the facilities were overwhelmed. Mrs. McCain came to a room where an infant lay in obvious distressed. She was told that the infant would not last more than a couple of weeks. She turned to the ambassador and told him to make all of the necessary paperwork to finalize the adoption for her daughter and arrange immediate transport to the United States. Senator McCain met the plane where Mrs. McCain introduced him to his daughter whom he had not yet heard about.

By all reports Senator McCain has been a great father to Bridget. Carl Rove would use Bridget's dark complexion to serve as the basis of rumors that he flooded South Carolina with to imply that Senator McCain had a love child with a black American and it was enough to cause him to lose SC after he had won NH.

As I had adopted a daughter in Thailand the year before I was impressed by McCain's personal involvement in saving this girl's life.

3) Relations with the Socialist Republic of Vietnam

In 1978 refugee movements in South East Asia had reached crisis proportions with hundreds of thousands on the move. After Vietnam invaded Cambodia on Christmas day hundreds of thousands of Cambodians were on the march to Thailand, SRV was loading hundreds of thousands of boat people and, this is key, China invaded
Vietnam in February.

In Nov 1978 all of the resettlement countries signed an agreement with Vietnam to stop government sponsored boat people expeditions and establish an orderly departure program. Having only started a week before and contributing nothing to the refugee movements I was assigned the orderly departure program. US and SRV was having a terrible time matching lists so I went to Ho Chi Minh Ville. There I met with the Northern Generals and within a few hours found a solution to the list problems. AF only travelled to HCM once a week so I had lots of free time.

The North Vietnamese arranged several meetings to discuss their most pressing interest: normalization of relations with the US until they realized I wasn't the one they should be talking to, but I would pass on their comments. I was surprised at their lack of antipathy towards America and Americans in general and was surprised by their reply, "American made a promise to their friends. America sacrificed their sons to keep their promise to their friends. We would like to have friends like that".

The PRV did everything they could to rebuild relations with the US. On the first flight out of HMV we had the dependents of CIA agents that missed the emergency flights. The SRV told the US that they could literally go anywhere in the Vietnam with 24 hours notice and they gave them full access to all of the files related to MIA.

President Clinton was ready to re establish relations with Vietnam in 1995 but in doing so he would be torn to shreds by the reactionary right. It would have been very easy for McCain to react emotionally against the people who had almost killed him, instead he stood up, told the truth and made it possible for two enemies to start on the road to mutual respect with the goal of friendship.

Here is Senator McCain's statement



https://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=a7591ed4-a6be-42c1-b052-9608391f21ef

(Washington, D.C.) -- The following is a statement by U.S. Senator John McCain regarding normalization of diplomatic relations with Vietnam: "I support the President's decision today to restore full diplomatic relations with Vietnam. This would not be an easy decision for any President to make. President Clinton has shown courage and honor in his resolve to do so. "President Clinton, like Presidents Bush and Reagan before him, took very seriously his pledge to the American people that the first priority in our relationship with Vietnam would be the accounting for Americans missing in action in Vietnam. "Given the importance of that commitment, President Clinton insisted that Vietnam cooperate with our accounting efforts to such an extent that normalization was clearly justified and that "tangible progress" toward the fullest possible accounting be clear enough to assure us that the prospects for continued cooperation were excellent. "Vietnam has shown that level of cooperation. The President has kept his commitment. Normalizing relations with our former enemy is the right thing to do. "In 1991, President Bush proposed a "roadmap" for improving our relations with Vietnam. Under its provisions, Vietnam was required to take unilateral, bilateral and multilateral steps to help us account for our missing. Vietnam's cooperation has been excellent for some time now, and has increased since the President lifted our trade embargo against Vietnam in 1994. "That view is shared by virtually every American official, military and civilian, involved in the accounting process, from the Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Forces in the Pacific to the enlisted man excavating crash sites in remote Vietnamese jungles. It is also shared by General John Vessey who served three presidents as Special Emissary to Vietnam for POW/MIA Affairs, as capable and honorable a man as has ever worn the uniform of the United States. "It is mostly my faith in the service of these good men and women that has convinced me that Vietnam's cooperation warrants the normalization of our relations under the terms of the roadmap. It would be injurious to the credibility of the United States and beneath the dignity of a great nation to evade commitments which we freely undertook. "I should also note that Admiral Jeremiah Denton, my acting Senior Ranking Officer at the Hanoi Hilton and a courageous resister, as well as my dear friend Ev Alvarez, the longest held POW in Vietnam, join me and many other former POWs in supporting the restoration of diplomatic relations. "Other factors make the case for full diplomatic relations even stronger. Increasingly, the United States and Vietnam have a shared strategic concern that can be better addressed by an improvement in our relations. "I am not advocating the containment of China. Nor do I think such an ambitious and complex strategic goal could be achieved simply by normalizing relations with Vietnam. But Vietnam, which will become a full member of ASEAN later this month, is an increasingly responsible player in Southeast Asian affairs. An economically viable Vietnam, acting in concert with its neighbors, will help the region resist dominance by any one power. That is a development which is clearly in the best interests of the United States. "Human rights progress in Vietnam should also be better served by restoring relations with that country. The Vietnamese have already developed complex relations with the rest of the free world. Instead of vainly trying to isolate Vietnam, the United States should test the proposition that greater exposure to Americans will render Vietnam more susceptible to the influence of our values. "Vietnam's human rights record needs substantial improvement. We should make good use of better relations with the Vietnamese to help advance in that country a decent respect for the rights of man. "Finally, the people of Arizona expect me to act in the best interests of the nation. We have looked back in anger at Vietnam for too long. I cannot allow whatever resentments I incurred during my time in Vietnam to hold me from doing what is so clearly my duty. I believe it is my duty to encourage this country to build from the losses and the hopes of our tragic war in Vietnam a better peace for both the American and the Vietnamese people. By his action today, the President has helped bring us closer to that worthy goal. I strongly commend him for having done so." # # #



Now there are many great people at DU and I am sure that there are many of those who will take the opportunity of McCain's passing to point out his faults, which are many. I recognize I could have done more with my time here so I will pass and simply point out the three things that I have admired in the man.

Now if you are stilled filled with hatred for the man I can tell you that these last few months have been a terrible time for the Senator. My brother came down with the same cancer and while the initial treatment gave some respite the final months were stark and he passed in January.

It is very difficult to watch someone age a decade in a week and lose their normal body functions and come in and out of consciousness and even in the best moments be only a shadow of your former self and this is what McCain and his family have gone through. The victim retains just enough lucidity and self awareness to realize how pathetic they are, it is a painful, humiliating and pathetic end, so if you wanted McCain to suffer again, then you got your wish.

I am particularly proud of Vice President Joe Biden who made many trips to comfort and embrace Senator McCain and his family. I would like to think that he speaks for all Democrats.
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Three important and good things that John McCain did that I can attest to. (Original Post) grantcart Aug 2018 OP
Cindy Mccain actually brought back 2 girls from bangladesh JI7 Aug 2018 #1
Thanks for that, I wasn't aware of the second child grantcart Aug 2018 #4
Here's another one EffieBlack Aug 2018 #2
Gracious comments KT2000 Aug 2018 #3
Pres Obama's eulogy will be a rare moment of compassion in these desultry times grantcart Aug 2018 #14
Thanks for that. grantcart Aug 2018 #5
Kick grantcart Aug 2018 #6
Thanks for your post. n/t sl8 Aug 2018 #7
Thank you grantcart Aug 2018 #8
Yet the republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief* shows him no respect Achilleaze Aug 2018 #9
In the next few weeks we ate likely to see the stark juxtaposition of an grantcart Aug 2018 #11
Mahalo, grant.. Cha Aug 2018 #10
Thanks, good to hear that the islands missed the main part of the storm grantcart Aug 2018 #12
You're Welcome.. Thank You! Cha Aug 2018 #13
Kick for those who think that respecting McCain is without any reasons. grantcart Aug 2018 #15
Thank you for posting this MustLoveBeagles Aug 2018 #16
Kick dalton99a Aug 2018 #17
Recommended panader0 Aug 2018 #18

JI7

(89,249 posts)
1. Cindy Mccain actually brought back 2 girls from bangladesh
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:06 PM
Aug 2018

the other girl was adopted by a friend of Mccains.

it's says a lot that he would immediately welcome her without even knowing or having discussed adopting before.

also his defending obama during the campaign.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
4. Thanks for that, I wasn't aware of the second child
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 10:36 PM
Aug 2018

Last edited Fri Aug 24, 2018, 11:27 PM - Edit history (1)

Its the kind of thing you would like to think you would do if you had the resources.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
2. Here's another one
Fri Aug 24, 2018, 08:23 PM
Aug 2018
McCain’s remarks at the 2008 Al Smith Dinner:

“All this will be for the voters to decide very soon. And though I do trust we can keep the turnout amongst deceased and fictional voters to a minimum, I have come out on both sides of elections and I have never lost my confidence in the judgment of the American people.

“In the military they work pretty hard to impress the chain of command on your way of thinking. And one way or another, on the 4th of November, word will come down from the top of the chain and Senator Obama and I will both receive our orders.

“I don't want it getting out of this room but my opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. Political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. But I have had a few glimpses of this man at his best. And I admire his great skill, energy, and determination.

“It's not for nothing that he has inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. Senator Obama talks about making history and he has made quite a bit of it already. There was a time when the mere invitation of an African-American citizen to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage and an insult in many corridors.

“Today is a world away from the cruel and prideful bigotry of that time and good riddance.

“I can't wish my opponent luck but I do wish him well.

“Whatever the outcome next month, Senator Obama has achieved a great thing for himself and for his country and I congratulate him.”

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. In the next few weeks we ate likely to see the stark juxtaposition of an
Sat Aug 25, 2018, 07:38 PM
Aug 2018

Eloquent and generous Obama eulogy and the cult of meanness.

It could give a power boost to the Blue wave

dalton99a

(81,488 posts)
17. Kick
Mon Aug 27, 2018, 08:11 PM
Aug 2018

Many people didn't know that McCain couldn't raise his arms to comb his hair because of the torture he suffered

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