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Inuca

(8,945 posts)
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:40 PM Aug 2012

Biden: McConnell decided to withhold all cooperation even before we took office

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/biden-mcconnell-decided-to-withhold-all-cooperation-even-before-we-took-office/2012/08/10/64e9a138-e302-11e1-98e7-89d659f9c106_blog.html

Not exactly a surprise, but still....

I’ve got my copy of Michael Grunwald’s new book on the making of stimulus, The New New Deal, and there are a lot of juicy nuggets in it. In particular, it may shed new light on the degree to which Republicans may have decided to deny Obama all cooperation for the explicit purpose of rendering his presidency a failure — making it easier for them to mount a political comback after their disastrous 2008 losses.

Grunwald has Joe Biden on the record making a striking charge. Biden says that during the transition, a number of Republican Senators privately confided to him that Mitch McConnell had given them the directive that there was to be no cooperation with the new administration — because he had decided that “we can’t let you succeed.”

Here’s the relevant passage, from page 207:

Biden says that during the transition, he was warned not to expect any cooperation on many votes. “I spoke to seven different Republican Senators, who said, `Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ he recalls. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance. “The way it was characterized to me was: `For the next two years, we can’t let you succeed in anything. That’s our ticket to coming back,’” Biden says.

The vice president says he hasn’t even told Obama who his sources were, but Bob Bennett of Utah and Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania both confirmed they had conversations with Biden along these lines.
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Biden: McConnell decided to withhold all cooperation even before we took office (Original Post) Inuca Aug 2012 OP
Joe is one of those guys who just can't help hifiguy Aug 2012 #1
And some democrats keep CRYING!!! Obama's not doing enough bigdarryl Aug 2012 #2
The flip side of that, though, is why was there no "plan B" to bipartisanship? JHB Aug 2012 #22
Two reasons Cosmocat Aug 2012 #24
I think others are frustrated because the President has tried to compromise, when they wanted still_one Aug 2012 #30
And that the administration knew the GOP wouldn't cooperate. progressoid Aug 2012 #33
This should be a national scandal CanonRay Aug 2012 #3
But it's not news malaise Aug 2012 #4
+1,000. Thanks for that. freshwest Aug 2012 #6
The news may be that Inuca Aug 2012 #8
And now they are talking? malaise Aug 2012 #11
Good reminder! No. I take it back. EXCELLENT reminder, malaise! calimary Aug 2012 #12
Dems need an ad on the inauguration night plotting malaise Aug 2012 #26
I have wondered why they haven't made one and placed it in all the states. Tis is not new news. nanabugg Aug 2012 #32
That's coming soon malaise Aug 2012 #39
+1000!!! FirstLight Aug 2012 #5
Mitch takes his role as Minority Leader seriously BeyondGeography Aug 2012 #7
When They Say Obama Can't Run On His Record Grammy23 Aug 2012 #9
Well said! Thank you!! nt lucca18 Aug 2012 #14
Something Tells Me bucolic_frolic Aug 2012 #15
my thinking exactly. imo, perfect timing for biden to get the ball rolling. eom ellenfl Aug 2012 #25
so why not make a campaign issue of this? oh, 3 years of "bipartisan" strategy. never mind lol nt msongs Aug 2012 #10
I think after the convention they will julian09 Aug 2012 #34
Country First? perdita9 Aug 2012 #13
This is beyond BS! WinstonSmith4740 Aug 2012 #16
I'm with you on this. surrealAmerican Aug 2012 #19
This is breaking news. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #17
What Good Are Elections DallasNE Aug 2012 #18
A lot of the byplay Hydra Aug 2012 #38
We need to be loudly calling McConnell what he is: a TRAITOR. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #20
Now we're talking malaise Aug 2012 #31
Say it louder: McConnell is a traitor. It is more important to "put the colored in his place"... Raster Aug 2012 #36
Amazing that a racist huckleberry hick judge from the backwoods Submariner Aug 2012 #21
TREASON nt bupkus Aug 2012 #23
it's fucking treasonous barbtries Aug 2012 #27
Everyone is missing a very important point in all of this. Kalidurga Aug 2012 #28
You're right ... surrealAmerican Aug 2012 #35
That's the reason the have tried to derail health care reform at every turn. Raster Aug 2012 #37
Hows that MAKE AMERICA FAIL thingie working out for you, Repubbies? Berlum Aug 2012 #29

JHB

(37,160 posts)
22. The flip side of that, though, is why was there no "plan B" to bipartisanship?
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:59 PM
Aug 2012

I understand not being sure is that Joe was told was the truth, and I understand letting them overreach to draw a contrast, but it was pretty clear what they intended back after the election, some of them came out and said what they were going to do, and if some of their senior guys are confiding it directly to Biden, then what was going on in the administration that they haven't spent the last year or two pounding the drum about obstructionism?

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
24. Two reasons
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:08 PM
Aug 2012

1) Even if you knew they were going to scumbag douchebags, you have to TRY to work with them because that is what you need to do. People expect it, and even if the Rs get very little held against them for being the jerkoffs they are, you have to TRY because it is the right thing. Beyond that, it proves out who is trying to be reasonable and who is not.

2) The Ds, unlike the Rs have almost no capacity to operate as one single entity. The fact is, the middle exists on the right flank of the democratic party. From a simple numbers standpoint, in order to get anything passed, you need SOME Rs to get it done - first for the numbers to get there in the senate alone, second to give cover for the right flank of the democratic party to do the right thing. We can bemoan blue dogs all we want, but they exist, and if there are no Rs on board, you lose most of the Blue Dogs.

Fact is, HCR passed only because the Ds had the majority in the House, and by a fleas hair, ONE VOTE, it passed the senate on reconcilation. Everything else has been pretty much stoned - the jobs bill, ect ...

still_one

(92,219 posts)
30. I think others are frustrated because the President has tried to compromise, when they wanted
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:32 PM
Aug 2012

Nothing to do whith him, and it was the President who gave in most of the time

CanonRay

(14,104 posts)
3. This should be a national scandal
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:48 PM
Aug 2012

It is as un-American an policy as I've ever heard. People should be outraged that they put partisan politics above the good of the nation, and the Rethugs should be deeply ashamed.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
4. But it's not news
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:53 PM
Aug 2012

They met on Inauguration night to plan out the sabotage. It is public knowledge or it should be.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html
<snip>
As President Barack Obama was celebrating his inauguration at various balls, top Republican lawmakers and strategists were conjuring up ways to submarine his presidency at a private dinner in Washington.

The event -- which provides a telling revelation for how quickly the post-election climate soured -- serves as the prologue of Robert Draper's much-discussed and heavily-reported new book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives."

According to Draper, the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) -- who, Draper writes, had an acrimonious relationship with Luntz.

For several hours in the Caucus Room (a high-end D.C. establishment), the book says they plotted out ways to not just win back political power, but to also put the brakes on Obama's legislative platform.

Inuca

(8,945 posts)
8. The news may be that
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:04 PM
Aug 2012

some (former) R senators are now talking ON RECORD. ANother quote from teh article is:

Meanwhile, former Senator George Voinovich also goes on record telling Grunwald that Republican marching orders were to oppose everything the Obama administration proposed.

“If he was for it, we had to be against it,” Voinovich tells Grunwald. And at another point, characterizing a strategy session Republicans and McConnell had held in early January of 2009, Voinovich said: “He wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”


Some of the more decent R senators, many (most? all?) of which are now former senators.

calimary

(81,313 posts)
12. Good reminder! No. I take it back. EXCELLENT reminder, malaise!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:32 PM
Aug 2012

Let's remember all the suspects named here. Let's remember them. Let's hold this against them FOREVER. We have names. Let's make sure we remember.

Let's remember all the agony and anguish THESE PEOPLE have PERSONALLY foisted on Americans who are struggling under the bush economy that we still haven't completely climbed out from under. These people are PERSONALLY responsible for not moving our country forward and for willfully screwing its people.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/robert-draper-anti-obama-campaign_n_1452899.html
<snip>
As President Barack Obama was celebrating his inauguration at various balls, top Republican lawmakers and strategists were conjuring up ways to submarine his presidency at a private dinner in Washington.

The event -- which provides a telling revelation for how quickly the post-election climate soured -- serves as the prologue of Robert Draper's much-discussed and heavily-reported new book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives."

According to Draper, the guest list that night (which was just over 15 people in total) included Republican Reps. Eric Cantor (Va.), Kevin McCarthy (Calif.), Paul Ryan (Wis.), Pete Sessions (Texas), Jeb Hensarling (Texas), Pete Hoekstra (Mich.) and Dan Lungren (Calif.), along with Republican Sens. Jim DeMint (S.C.), Jon Kyl (Ariz.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), John Ensign (Nev.) and Bob Corker (Tenn.). The non-lawmakers present included Newt Gingrich, several years removed from his presidential campaign, and Frank Luntz, the long-time Republican wordsmith. Notably absent were Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) and House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) -- who, Draper writes, had an acrimonious relationship with Luntz.

For several hours in the Caucus Room (a high-end D.C. establishment), the book says they plotted out ways to not just win back political power, but to also put the brakes on Obama's legislative platform.


Copying this so it's easy to find. I have versions of this stashed in several places in my computer. This list of names and faces should be on every post office wall in America. On WANTED posters. Because they're criminals and domestic terrorists, manufacturing misery exclusively so their party can get back in power.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
26. Dems need an ad on the inauguration night plotting
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:18 PM
Aug 2012

and photos of all the perps should be included.

Hope WiLLIARd picks Ryan - that could be fun since he was there.

 

nanabugg

(2,198 posts)
32. I have wondered why they haven't made one and placed it in all the states. Tis is not new news.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:40 PM
Aug 2012

They have had plenty of time to push this on every pundit show they appear on but not too much is being said about it. It's almost like they are accomplices after the fact.

FirstLight

(13,360 posts)
5. +1000!!!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 12:54 PM
Aug 2012

...and this comes from the party that claims to be so Patriotic?

You know, there's still a sore spot with many toward Newt G for the govt shutdown...but this is a thousand times worse IMO...

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
9. When They Say Obama Can't Run On His Record
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:07 PM
Aug 2012

Our response should be to remind the speaker that the Republicans sat in one of their "quiet rooms" even as the rest of the country enjoyed the Inaugural Festivities and while we cheered, they plotted their strategy. They knew before Obama entered the Oval Office for Day One what they would do to try to cripple him and his administration. In spite of that, he has managed to get some things done, not the least of which was to get the Affordable Care Act passed and phased in.

I think that the fact that the Republican Congressmen and women planned to kneecap the President and everything he wanted to do should be hammered home to the American voters. They never intended to co-operate with him. When they say he can't run on his record, remind them of WHY he hasn't accomplished more. And then go over the facts of what he has accomplished. I would love to see bill boards everywhere with a list of all the things Americans now have THANKS IN NO SMALL PART to Mr. Obama's health care plan. There are STILL people out there who do not realize this plan is in place and is working! I saw a post on FB the other day from a young woman calling the Affordable Care Act "Moroncare" and she indicated that she thought it would be rolled out in January of next year. They are dumb and dumber and do not realize that the roll out of the ACA began in 2010. They honestly do not know that many of our uninsured are NOW insured. That women's health care just got a big boost on August 1st. And on and on. Lots of them do NOT know this and that needs to change so that at least they can make decisions based on truth, not lies put out by Romney and his crack team of liars and shills. When Romney BRAGS that he will do away with the Affordable Care Act, the real cost of that should be highlighted every time we get the chance.

Instead of blaming Obama for our slow recovery, the voters need to be reminded (over and over if need be) of who took their oar out of the water before we even pulled away from the dock!

bucolic_frolic

(43,181 posts)
15. Something Tells Me
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:01 PM
Aug 2012

that the Obama campaign will pull all these issues together
as the weeks of October wind down.

Obama is a ferocious campaigner with perhaps the greatest political instincts
since FDR and when his opponent is on the ropes

he will go for the jugular.

This has been 32 years in the making, let's all get behind our local
Democratic Party office and PUSH THE ROCK TO THE TOP OF THE HILL

so we can watch Humpty-Dumpty MittWitt's Great Fall.

msongs

(67,413 posts)
10. so why not make a campaign issue of this? oh, 3 years of "bipartisan" strategy. never mind lol nt
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 01:12 PM
Aug 2012
 

julian09

(1,435 posts)
34. I think after the convention they will
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:50 PM
Aug 2012

with three months to go, it may be too soon. I think if they had exposed this for the 2010 election, results would have been different.
Obama didn't care, he wasn't up for reelection, now he is.
This is a national shame and people should be made aware that the reason many are out of work is because the repugs want to make sure economy is bad. Same for banking and health care reform. Business not hiring and sitting on billions,and banks not lending for same reason, don't let things improve for Obama.
I've been saying this since 2009, it was so obvious, now it is coming to light people should be more than outraged at repugs and vote them ALL out. The media was asleep, purposely and partly responsible for keeping the public in the dark about the repugs putting party above country and instead of helping

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
16. This is beyond BS!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:03 PM
Aug 2012
"Joe, I’m not going to be able to help you on anything,’ he recalls. His informants said McConnell had demanded unified resistance."


Yes, they could have. If they had 1% of the patriotism and concern for the people of this country, and The Constitution they supposedly worship so much, they would have told McConnell to go fuck himself. The country was reeling from the Bush screw-ups and the financial shenanigans of the banking industry. The economy was losing 800,000 jobs per month, people were losing their homes, and all those bastards were concerned about was keeping their own jobs, and regaining power. They should have done what was best for the country, not Mitch McConnell, and not Grover Norquist. Fuck 'em.

I think the public may be coming around to this on their own, but since this confirms what is probably now at the back if everyone's mind, this needs to be spread ALL OVER the media.

In fact, here's the damn ad:
Our country was in trouble. Manufacturing jobs were being sent offshore. Banks were gambling with your money. But Republicans were more concerned about keeping their jobs than helping you. And now they want you to vote for the person who thinks that was a good idea...and wants to do it again. Change is still possible in America. It's not too late. But it can't be done with when people who think like this are left in power. Return Obama to office, and give him people who will work with him for YOU.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
19. I'm with you on this.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:28 PM
Aug 2012

These cowards are every bit as guilty as Mitch McConnell. They could have acted in the interests of their country and their constituents: they chose not to.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
18. What Good Are Elections
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:18 PM
Aug 2012

If these Senators are required to yield to McConnell's demand for unified resistance rather than the wishes of those who elected them? No wonder Congress' approval is at 12% with those who elected them.

And why, if Biden knew this from day one, did Obama try to play footsie with them on key legislation? Both the stimulus bill and the Affordable Care Act were loaded with Republican proposals and aside from the two Maine Senators on the stimulus nary a single Republican vote. Did they not believe their ears? And look at how much time was wasted on the Affordable Care Act trying to get just one Republican to come onboard and how that time was used to savage the bill with talk about pulling the plug on grandma -- a provision that was put in there by a Republican Senator from Georgia. Just sayin......

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
38. A lot of the byplay
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:08 PM
Aug 2012

Has been used to smokescreen the fact that the Obama Administration wanted things their constituents would never support. A lot of what was blamed on obstruction was merely a way to say "we couldn't do what we should have..."

A good example was the public option. They pretended for months to fight for it, but in the end they dumped it when they had a clear option to do it.

I can't accept the idea that the Administration is in any way stupid or naive, but they pretend like they are almost as much as the Bush admin. It's such a paper thin excuse, but somehow everyone will buy that we have become the most helpless and useless nation ever when it comes to doing the right thing.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
20. We need to be loudly calling McConnell what he is: a TRAITOR.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:32 PM
Aug 2012

An un-American piece of shit.
A psychopathic reptile.
A malignant cancer on the American body politic.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
36. Say it louder: McConnell is a traitor. It is more important to "put the colored in his place"...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 04:33 PM
Aug 2012

...than it is to put our country in THE RIGHT PLACE.

Our country is faced with so many challenges at this time. So many of our people are hurting - truly hurting. The Republicans in Congress had the opportunity to work with an extremely popular - and legally elected - President to take the necessary steps to put this country back on course. And let's call it what it is: it was an unlawfully elected republican pResident and his illegal administration that set this country on the disastrous course we see today. Recession, thy name is Bush*! Two illegal wars of greed, thy name is Cheney*! But no, McConnell decreed there would be no cooperation. McConnell decreed nothing would be done for the good of the country. It is far more important to McConnell and his rethuglican band of tools and fools that they attempt to render the Obama Presidency null and void -- no matter how bad it hurts this country and it's people.

McConnell = traitor to the Republic and adversary of we the people.

Submariner

(12,504 posts)
21. Amazing that a racist huckleberry hick judge from the backwoods
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 02:48 PM
Aug 2012

can become a senator and fuck the other 99.99% of the country. He should've stayed in the swamp with the rest of the turtles.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
28. Everyone is missing a very important point in all of this.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:29 PM
Aug 2012

I missed it too til just now. What Republicans are implicitly proving with their actions is that, they believe that the Presidents plans would have helped this country so much that he would have been a lock in winning this year. They are saying Democrat plans work. They are saying they don't have an alternative plan that will work. They are saying they would rather have people die. Which has happened over and over again in their administrations, than have this country succeed. If this country comes back in a very visible way under a Democratic President, they know they will lose for decades.

surrealAmerican

(11,362 posts)
35. You're right ...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 03:59 PM
Aug 2012

... and that's a very important point. They knew (or at least strongly suspected) that the President's plans would work.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
37. That's the reason the have tried to derail health care reform at every turn.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:33 PM
Aug 2012

They know that once the country gets a taste of FAIR, COMPETENT health care for all, they would never have a chance to rule again.

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