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ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
1. Because they don't want to lose the mid term votes of people who are on the fence
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 06:39 PM
Aug 2018

Is that a strong political move? We will find out in November.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. The headline is not great, in my view
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:46 PM
Aug 2018

Could have easily highlighted how he is saying it is critical to continue the investigation and then take the appropriate action when it is completed.

2naSalit

(86,775 posts)
4. And there are not enough votes in the House
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 06:52 PM
Aug 2018

to accomplish an impeachment, so best not to light a fire that won't boil water with the last two matches in your tinder box until you have enough wood piled up to do the job.

Emotional appeal will not win the day on this fight, best to plan for a righteous battle we can win. That means we have to have a sufficient army for that battle to win it.

J_William_Ryan

(1,756 posts)
5. Mr. Swalwell doesn't understand Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 06:54 PM
Aug 2018

Unfortunately he’s far from alone.

‘On ABC’s "This Week," Swalwell said Trump is not above the law, but Democrats don’t have enough evidence yet to say that he has committed a high crime and misdemeanor.’ ibid

Incorrect.

The Framers’ reference to a ‘misdemeanor’ was not that of a criminal offense where the offender is subject to a sentence of imprisonment not in excess one year.

The Framers’ intent with regard to a ‘misdemeanor’ was that of a bad act or bad conduct on the part of the president, having nothing to do with criminal wrongdoing.

And Trump has committed scores of misdemeanors that warrant his impeachment, to be tried and convicted in the Senate, and compelled to resign from office.

Indeed, the incessant lying, tweeting, and attacks on public officials and private citizens alone are misdemeanors pursuant to Article II, Section 4.

Impeachment is a political, not legal, process.

Unfortunately, far too many elected officials and voters are ignorant of these facts; and however wrong the American people might be, they would nonetheless never accept a president being impeached for anything less than an alleged criminal act – even the likes of Trump.

brush

(53,843 posts)
7. So according to your last paragraph, Swalwell's instincts are correct.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:22 PM
Aug 2018

As are Pelosi's who has advised her caucus to run on the issues, not impeachment.

Taking back the House is more important now than riling up the repug deplorables to come out even more in November because Dems are talking about impeachment—something that can't even happen without Dems controlling the House. And furthermore, 67 votes are needed in the Senate to convict someone impeached by the House.

What are the chances of that happening without a full and thorough investigation and public disclosure of trump's crimes.

Mueller is working on that. Let him continue and then we may get to where we need to be as far as the House, the Senate and impeachment.











PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
8. That's correct, they specifically used the phase "High crimes and misdemeanors" because...
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:22 PM
Aug 2018

of what it was then understood to mean. And it meant you could impeach an office holder for most anything - even things
like making "appointing unfit subordinates", "not spending money allocated", or "losing a ship by neglecting to moor it'.

For background see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_crimes_and_misdemeanors

Takket

(21,625 posts)
9. The Democrats are not going to say they have evidence until Mueller actually turns in his evidence
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:36 PM
Aug 2018

We all know he has it, but it needs to be official.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,036 posts)
10. Takes no evidence to impeach. Takes lots of evidence to convict in the Senate.
Sun Aug 26, 2018, 07:40 PM
Aug 2018

No President has been convicted in the Senate. For example, Bill Clinton was not.

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