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Dear DU Members,
It is not every day that the right wingers give us an opportunity to band together, show unity, and do what we can to get coorporate money out of politics. The owner of Scott's Miracle Gro just gave $200,000 to a pro-Romney super pac. Money that he has made because the American people bought his product.
Well, on the side of my 5 lb plastic tub of Miracle-Gro it says this: "SATISFACTION GUARANTEED OR YOUR MONEY BACK If you are not satisfied, return the empty package to: Scotts Miracle-Gro Products, Inc. PO Box 606, Marysville, Ohio 43040".
Please, DU, join me. Today I mixed up the entire box and gave my flowerbeds their last dosing of Miracle-Gro, then I wrote "I am not satisfied" on the package, labeled it and affixed postage. I am returning it to Miracle-Gro because I am EXTREMELY UNSATISFIED with the company. The package does not say what terms my dissatisfaction stems from: just whether or not I am satisfied with my purchase from them. I am not. I am extremely offended that a company I that I have been doing business with has taken my money and given a portion of it to a political cause that is repressing votes, denying civil rights to gays, trying to privatize education, medicaid and social security.
Scotts Miracle-Gro owes me a refund and an apology.
Please join me in spreading the word that Scotts will give you back your money if dissatisfied. Please return your empty packages.
Please help to teach coorporate American that if they don't support the people, the people won't support them.
I'll even ask for a few kicks and recs to help keep this up and to get the word out!!
sibelian
(7,804 posts)My own compost from now on.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)Miracle Grow is like junk food for plants.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)I compost and have been working mulch into all my beds for years (I live on a big pile of clay, basically). But, I do have an affection for flowers so I have a couple of beds just for showy little annuals and fun stuff. I figure they are just here for the summer and are probably junkies when I buy them.
But I'll get an organic alternative and not even miss the Miracle-Gro.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Anyway, back to your OP, this is a great idea and I hope you were able to put a note with what you said about an apology and why they owed Americans one... Suppressing other Americans, offshoring jobs and destroying communities is not what we want to support! Thanks for the idea!
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)I have a compost pile in my back yard but this year I dug all my flower beds out and mixed the clay with mulch (organic with lots of bat and chicken poop) to a depth of 2 feet!! It was back breaking labor but my plants are making these giant leaps in size. Pretty crazy to watch!
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)i've had several conversations at the nursery on what to mix into the ground but nobody has told me peat moss.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Also making it hard for the roots to grow. I'm not sure what kind of clay you're dealing with, but it has some ability to hold water in drought along with a terrible ability to break off the roots when it dries. I grew up in a house where our yard was built up to be above flood level with builder's clay and a slight amount of topsoil. It always caused the plants root stress.
The soil needs to be friable, that is the texture of a loam so the roots can breathe. This is hard to achieve in some places, dependent on geology and construction. There are some concenrs about the sustainablility of peat bogs, however, so if you've found something that works as well, you might not choose it.
I then lived in a house where it flooded a few times, but that was all river bottom, wonderful, brown loam, many feet down. After a few decades it was compacted and I lightened it up with dump truck loads of nice white river bank sand for the grass to keep it friable. For my gardens I went to a farm to get manure from an old style dairy that used peat moss in the stalls. That stuff was already like fertilizer.
I kept on composting with everything but animal products. A good composting book will tell you what you need to naturally replicate the composition of chemical fertilizers. Things like green sand, kelp, your chicken manure and bat guano are great. But horse manure if you can get it, IMO, is best, second is cow manure because they aren't as hot as the other two. But in a pile that doesn't matter, if you have sufficient carbon to work with.
And if your pile is getting hot enough for long enough and is aerobic, not anaerobic, it will kill the pathogens in failed plants and weeds, although that might be easier to put them in the trash for safety.
In my area, we have a lot of city recycling, all packaging except styrofoam and a few rogue plastics can be recycled here. But we also have composting from the city. I fill buckets for them composed of rinsed eggshells, fruit and vegetable peelings, coffee grinds and filters, food soiled paper, etc.
Those you can also put in your compost, and help it go with your grass and plant clippings and leaves. It used to drive me crazy when I'd see people burn or toss their leaves and grass clippings in the trash, or their wood chips and branches. Now it is sent into some place and composted where they can pile it and get it hot enough to kill all diseases and pathogens. Most of what comes from your kitchen can go into your compost, just not any animal poop, have to compost that separately.
You probably know all of this by now. The last place I had a lot of acreage was extremely dry, almost no rainfall except in the winter. And the soil was a clay called caliche. It turned into a fine dust and was good for driveways, etc. and when it dried it was very hard, you had to use a pick axe to break it. But if it was good and wet, and had sufficient organic matter (like the vegetable and fruit clippings, peat moss and manures) it was great for growing in.
That was where I used green manures as well, which you may or may not have used. That's when you get a crop like clover, alfalfa, vetch, etc. and grow a good stand and turn it over. It really lightens the soil up nicely. I don't know how much area you are working with, climate or what you're growing.
You have a great opportunity there. I was never as happy as I was when I had a garden. I hope I answered some questions, but think you're on the road to being less dependent on the things the stores are selling. We certainly don't want to ruin what little topsoil we have and promote bad businesses.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)in beds I had added mulch to last summer, that the mulch in many places was practically gone and that I was back to hard packed clay. Peat moss might be exactly what I need. I planted mostly annuals in the new dirt so that I could turn it again just before winter. I'll do some reading up on the peat moss.
Thank you for all the info too. I just have a city lot but it is a corner and I have tons of stuff growing.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)peat moss is a non-renewable resource.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:06 PM - Edit history (1)
I wonder if all these products have return if not satisfied? I have Ortho as well. I wonder if I can return those as well?
sibelian
(7,804 posts)Excellent, more to cross off my list
sendero
(28,552 posts)... Round up is a Monsanto product.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)If you hit the tab for products it shows up as one of theirs. Would be weird to advertise for roundup on their webpage wouldn't it?
sendero
(28,552 posts)... ... the "Round Up" products they show on that page are not the same thing that most people are talking about when they say "roundup". Roundup is glyphosate herbicide. These (Scotts) products have multiple active ingredients with glyphosate being one of them.
Clearly, these products are Scotts products but there are plenty of products called RoundUp that are made and sold by Monsanto - which will be the pure glyphosate product, and of course to be clear, I will never buy a Monsanto product either.
There is a glyphosate product called "Eliminator" that is good and cheap.
So you are correct but maybe slightly misleading.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)I don't want to be misleading. I just want them to know I am very unhappy with my transaction with them.
sendero
(28,552 posts)... I didn't mean for you to do that.
In any event I'm right with you. No more Scott's products for me, there are plenty of alternatives.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)I'd rather be right all the way around.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)If so, you may have a good chance at returning those products. I had the delightful experience of working for the Home Depot a few years back, and I know they encourage employees to accept returns from honest customers. Yeah, actually dishonest customers also get away with returning shit they never paid for, but, we employees took the hit, not the stockholders. That was a shitty job at the time (5 years ago) , and from what I have heard, wages have only gone down.
Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)I have to drive a bit farther, and deal with employees who are less friendly, but I now give almost 100% my business to Lowe's.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)that can only mean that they have a different "work environment" than what I experienced as an HD employee. I passed their psychological pre-employment-test, but only because I am savvy at knowing what kind of answers they want on employment tests. The wage at the time was decent for retail, but I know for certain that entry level wages have gone WAY down since then.
But yes, people abuse the return policy at the Home Depot. Really egregiously.
Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)Different companies - different cultures.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)because of the bush donations.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)I sent them an email telling them why.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)My goodness - when will these companies learn??
Stay out of politics. It hurts you either way . . .
Another reason why we need free and fair elections. Thanks Supreme Court. We appreciate the unlimited amount of cash now in these elections!!
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)How many refunds til it costs the company more than the $200,000 Romney got?
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)obxhead
(8,434 posts)The label says if dissatisfied return for refund.
Guess what, we're dissatisfied.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)will definitely send it back if I find any. Is there a time limit on this?
GObamaGO
(665 posts)And really does not reflect my values as a liberal democrat. If you can live with yourself by doing this, knock yourself out.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)with the company? I am not saying their product is bad, I am saying their business model is. Their package does not ask if I it is the product or the experience i am unhappy with. I wrote on the package I was very unhappy with their decision to enter into politics and that I was not satisfied with my business transaction with them.
I am not satisfied. As I used their product I was very upset that the money I had paid to them was used to support a group that is 100% against my civil rights to marry my partner. I feel betrayed because I have used their product long term.
Their choice has poisoned me on their product, I am ashamed to use it, I feel very bad that I have been supporting their company, I worry they have been giving money all along to groups that hate me and overall I feel used very bad about my purchase from them. Would you call that satisfied? I don't.
GObamaGO
(665 posts)Until you heard about the political donations, you were satisfied with how the product performed. Now you want to return it. That is the dishonest part. I guess lack of ethics dwells on both sides of the aisle.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)I make clear to them why I am unhappy. If they don't think this is reason enough for me to be unhappy with their product then they can refuse a refund. I would have returned the unused product but they ask you return the empty container.
I am not saying I don't like their product, in fact, I say to them in my note that I have used it happily for years but they are the ones who chose to put politics into my garden. Not me. I am making it clear that I am not satisfied because of their business, not the product. They guarantee me satisfaction.
There is nothing dishonest about that. They will then have their choice of whether or not to honor their "Satisfaction Guaranteed or your money back" pledge. If they send a letter and say that my conditions for satisfaction are not the ones they meant in their pledge.
If I said to them I want my money back because the product was bad, then I would be lying and that would be dishonest. How is it dishonest to say their political donations have made me very unhappy with their product and their company? Is not the experience of using any product part of what you buy? I have a right to tell them their actions have left me as a very unhappy and unsatisfied customer--not with their product but with them. Any person who understands branding, economics and the market knows that the satisfaction and happiness with the product and the company that makes them are bound together and intrinsic to each other's success. Their politics have ruined their name and the experience of using their product.
GObamaGO
(665 posts)Returning it now shows a lack of ethics.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)It is still a beautiful piece of work. You are still married or whatever. But, now you know that they use children as slaves and kill some of them when they don't work fast enough. Do you return it or live with the fact someone may have been killed getting it out of the earth.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)I guess I'm one of those crazy people who believe in things having good and bad energy. When we got hitched my friend with an antique shop offered us gold wedding bands pretty much as a gift.
We didn't say anything to each other for a while and then one day it was really nagging at me and I told my partner, "I don't want a used ring. What if it was the ring from a really horrible relationship?" And I pictured someone mean wearing the ring and that was that.... I couldn't have a used ring. He felt the same way.
I think I would react similarly to a blood diamond. If I couldn't exchange it I doubt I'd wear it and I'd probably give it away eventually.
My friend teased me when i told him I wouldn't buy an iPhone because of how miserable the workers are. I told him his phone is glued together with sad little chinese tears. And after I made that joke I realized it was totally true. Every time my partner pulls his iphone out I picture a sad Chinese lady at her table, putting the thingy on the other thingy, day in, day out 7 days a week, etc etc
Hard to have a conscience in this world sometimes. I bristle at being called dishonest when I try to be very honest.
GObamaGO
(665 posts)And other businesses in the diamond industry.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)GObamaGO
(665 posts)But I am sure those are tainted as well.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)no harm done with that! (though kinda creepy)
GObamaGO
(665 posts)If I were to get engaged/married now (I am already married, so really a moot point), I would probably opt for plain gold bands.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)I agree that it is dishonest.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)the point, as I take it, isn't to get the money but express displeasure in a way that gets the company's attention. I think it is quite clever but I doubt they will see a penny in refunds. Unless of course the corporate attorneys tell their client that they worded their refund policy language so braodly as to include political dissatisfaction after the fact in which case the refund is legal and ethical. There is no attempt to be deceptive.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)everything is being done as if there is is displeasure with the product.
Quite possible the explanation may not get to any higher level and the refund will be sent.
Then what, will it be sent back with a further explanation that it wasn't the product but the company?
I don't think so.
Deceptive as one is going through a refund for product process.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Is.the whole point. Getting the refund is not. By doing it in the context of the refund their complaint is more likely to get noticed and if such a complaint is attached there "is displeasure with the product" is not being claimed.
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)Displeasure with the product is implied as that is why they offer a refund.
there is no complaint to get noticed. It looks like all other returns.
It is dishonest, and, in my opinion, stealing.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)They'll have to explain to me why they are denying me the refund because of how they evaluate my "satisfaction".
otohara
(24,135 posts)Fuck em.... Stay out of the PAC biz and avoid blowback
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)it doesn't state it specifically, but we know it means satisfaction with the product.
You are using it and getting the money back. In my opinion, that is stealing and won't do it.
Don't buy anymore product to boycott, but doing as you say is dishonest.
GObamaGO
(665 posts)You put it more succinctly than I did upthread.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)How is that dishonest? As long as I state why I am unhappy.
They don't have to refund if they think I don't fall under their guarantee. It's not like I am forcing them to do anything and I am being 100% upfront and I'm telling them I like the product but am unhappy with the company.
Not dishonest if I am upfront and open that I am dissatisfied with my business dealing with them..
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)you are asking for a refund of a product you used and with which you are not dis-satisfied (the product).
yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)"...then I wrote "I am not satisfied" on the package, labeled it and affixed postage...
No explanation there, and since you've already mailed it how did you attach an explanation?
SmileyRose
(4,854 posts)the same box stores that sell fake fertilizers also compost and manure.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)Guess I'll have to switch to another product.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)RKP5637
(67,111 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Petrol chemical fertilizers!
I'll go completly organanic from now on!
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)pasto76
(1,589 posts)"You bet your garden" on NPR saturdays. google the show. I heard him 2 years ago and he caught my ear because he was talking SCIENCE in his method. He is organic, and you may find as did I that 'organic' basically means free. The trade off is more time spent in the garden weeding and tending the plants. Sounds horrible right...spending a morning doing light yard work with the family. Showing the kids the difference between butterflies and the different types of birds we attract.
I cant recommend the methods in there enough. Especially with grass; the methods he promotes are tried and true, and dont require us spraying hormone disruptors everywhere.
Also, a HARVARD study has pretty much determined that the cause of colony collapse in european honeybees is from the use of neonicotinoids (also written about in this months Mother Earth News). Check him out, and stop using chemical fertilizers!
oh, and fuck Scotts!
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)upi402
(16,854 posts)Chemicals are not helping the gasping eco system. I think that people with perfect green lawns are idiots and taking part in screwing us all.
Say no to chemical fake beauty.
Dreamer Tatum
(10,926 posts)Fail.
Be an adult and find something useful and dignified to do.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)At least I'm doing something to tell a company I used to spend my money with that they have driven me away as a customer.
Go attack someone else who just types about trying to change things. I AM doing something at least and Scotts and perhaps other companies will think twice before giving money to PACs that undermine democracy.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)again, and send a letter telling the company why. You used it, and used it all. You were apparently satisfied with the performance of the product. I used to purchase gasoline at a BP station near me. After the Gulf spill, I stopped doing so, and told the owner of that gas station why. He has since changed the station to another brand. The gasoline worked just fine, and the station was convenient for me. When he rebranded the station to a company I don't have issues with, I returned to the station.
Honesty is always the best way to approach these things.
GObamaGO
(665 posts)yawnmaster
(2,812 posts)and the OP says nothing about adding any kind of explanation.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)they ask for an empty package. I would have happily returned the product. And I am going to explain their actions have ruined my experience with their product. I am pretty much sure they'll say no to a refund.
I'm not being dishonest to ask for one as long as I explain their actions made the expierience of using their product less than good and I am not satisfied with the experience. They don't guarantee their product, they are guaranteeing that I will feel satisfied after I use it. I don't feel that way. Why am I being dishonest to say that to them?
jillan
(39,451 posts)If you have a plant nursery anywhere near you, stop in there and you will find rows of organic fertilizers for a similar price with a knowledgeable staff that will help you figure out which one is right for you.
That's the way to hurt them the most imho - don't buy the crap they are selling.
otohara
(24,135 posts)Great idea
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Just curious
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Well, I never used the stuff but good to know!