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CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:01 PM Aug 2012

Your Friday Afternoon Challenge returns with “Capital Art”!

Last edited Sat Aug 11, 2012, 02:33 PM - Edit history (1)

Here is a selection of art that you can see in six of the world’s capital cities. Can you identify the work and the city?

And, please remember the "no cheating" rule here...

1. The Esterhazy Madonna, Raphael, Budapest
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2. Sculpture in the Belvedere Gardens, Vienna
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3. The Fall of Icarus, circle of Bruegel, Brussels
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4. Sculpture of Shouting Woman, Kollwitz, Berlin
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5. Window in St. Vitus' Cathedral, Mucha, Prague
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6. Odalisque in Red Pants, forgery of Matisse, Caracas
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Your Friday Afternoon Challenge returns with “Capital Art”! (Original Post) CTyankee Aug 2012 OP
OK, I accepted your challenge ..... oldhippie Aug 2012 #1
Share with everyone? CTyankee Aug 2012 #2
I wasn't sure of the rules ...... oldhippie Aug 2012 #3
Sure. CTyankee Aug 2012 #5
Number 3 is from "Landscape with the Fall of Icarus" ... oldhippie Aug 2012 #6
Bonus Question: do you know the connection between this and W.H.Auden? CTyankee Aug 2012 #8
From the poem? oldhippie Aug 2012 #12
It sure was. In the poem he talks about the painting... CTyankee Aug 2012 #15
I learned while researching this Challenge that Bruegel is no longer considered the artist! CTyankee Aug 2012 #9
I saw that, too. oldhippie Aug 2012 #13
I thought it was that they didn't think HE did it...or maybe I got it wrong... CTyankee Aug 2012 #17
Not sure of the name of the work RZM Aug 2012 #4
It is in Vienna... CTyankee Aug 2012 #7
Apparently they are different places RZM Aug 2012 #10
It is on my bucket list along with various other places. I just read a book on Gustav Klimt and CTyankee Aug 2012 #11
Number 5 is Prague, St. Vitus Cathedral... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #14
I'm thinking you were there and saw it... CTyankee Aug 2012 #16
I've been to Prague 12 times! joeybee12 Aug 2012 #18
Prague is another one on my bucket list! CTyankee Aug 2012 #19
No, but I first went there in 1992 and fell in love with the city... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #20
what did you like the most? CTyankee Aug 2012 #21
Loved it all...but I really loved hanging out in Mala Strana joeybee12 Aug 2012 #22
Prague's The Bunker in the 1990s was the place to be. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #47
Toledo HopeHoops Aug 2012 #23
Holy pinboy3niner Aug 2012 #24
Sorry, but Toledo? Which one? CTyankee Aug 2012 #25
(hint: random response. Answer: OH) HopeHoops Aug 2012 #26
How about if I say Tupelo Mississippi grantcart Aug 2012 #27
Please dont be mad, I just didn't get the reference and I am sorry about that. I meant it.. CTyankee Aug 2012 #28
I am not mad. I am making fun of those of us, and I am in the front row grantcart Aug 2012 #29
Oh, I am so relieved! I thought you must just hate me! CTyankee Aug 2012 #30
I love to share in this and every week I click on and think I'll get some small part of it. grantcart Aug 2012 #32
Oh CTyankee!!! blaze Aug 2012 #44
Aw, thanks Blaze! Your and others' encouragement keep me doing this...besides, I love the CTyankee Aug 2012 #46
A big hint here! CTyankee Aug 2012 #31
I'll hold the Challenge open for a while longer if anyone has answers... CTyankee Aug 2012 #33
I'll provide some diversion...#4 is Berlin. Iterate Aug 2012 #34
YES, indeed! CTyankee Aug 2012 #35
#6 has got to be Matisse, so I'm going to guess that it's in Paris. I don't know the specific work. yardwork Aug 2012 #36
It sure LOOKS like a Matisse, doesn't it? CTyankee Aug 2012 #37
LOL! I just read the subthread below. How interesting! yardwork Aug 2012 #45
I only knew about it from a NYT article a few weeks ago. That's when I got the idea for CTyankee Aug 2012 #48
I love your Friday Art Challenge thread. It is one of my favorite parts of DU. yardwork Aug 2012 #49
I'm so glad you like them! And I love finding the pictures and putting them up. CTyankee Aug 2012 #50
# 6 copy of stolen Matisse librechik Aug 2012 #38
Did my hint give it away or had you seen the story in the newspaper (like I did)? CTyankee Aug 2012 #39
your hint made me remember the story librechik Aug 2012 #40
do you want to hazard a guess on #1? CTyankee Aug 2012 #41
I'm really bad with the Italians--can't tell a Raphael from a Giotto librechik Aug 2012 #42
No, it is late enough Renaissance to be on canvas... CTyankee Aug 2012 #43
who won the challenge? was I close? grantcart Aug 2012 #51
darlin' you are close to mah heart! CTyankee Aug 2012 #52
Well the way I see it I was the only one that submitted a complete slate of 6 answers grantcart Aug 2012 #53
Honey, you get a "participation" trophy! You tried! CTyankee Aug 2012 #54
Yess! grantcart Aug 2012 #55
 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
1. OK, I accepted your challenge .....
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:16 PM
Aug 2012

... and I only recognize #3. And, amazingly, I only recognize it because I just within the last hour watched a video lecture from The Great Course's DVD, "The History of European Art." What a coincidence.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
6. Number 3 is from "Landscape with the Fall of Icarus" ...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:31 PM
Aug 2012

... by Pieter Bruegel, in Brussels, Belgium.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landscape_with_the_Fall_of_Icarus

Amazingly, I only learned of it this very afternoon.

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
12. From the poem?
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:48 PM
Aug 2012

... about the museum in Brussels? And I only knew that from looking at the wiki link I just posted. Man, you can learn things fast!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
15. It sure was. In the poem he talks about the painting...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:00 PM
Aug 2012

I'm going to Brussels in October and plan to visit the Musee des Beaux Arts so I can at last see the damn thing...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
9. I learned while researching this Challenge that Bruegel is no longer considered the artist!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:41 PM
Aug 2012

I guess they have more sophisticated analysis techniques these days...

 

oldhippie

(3,249 posts)
13. I saw that, too.
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:50 PM
Aug 2012

Seems the one in Brussels may be a very early copy of Bruegel's original. Hate it when that happens!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
7. It is in Vienna...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:31 PM
Aug 2012

in the Belvedere Gardens. I've not been to Vienna (I plan to, tho!). What is the relation of the Belvedere and the Schoenbrunn?

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
10. Apparently they are different places
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:42 PM
Aug 2012

I'd never heard of Belvedere, but I have visited Schoenbrunn, which was a Hapsburg royal residence in the city. Apparently Belvedere was built for Prince Eugene of Savoy, who was born in France but made his career in the service of the Hapsburgs.

Schoenbrunn also has some famous gardens, which is why I thought this pic came from there.

As an aside, I loved Vienna and recommend it highly. There's tons to see and it also struck me as one of the cleanest cities I'd ever been to.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
11. It is on my bucket list along with various other places. I just read a book on Gustav Klimt and
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 05:46 PM
Aug 2012

the Viennese Secession Movement at the turn of the 20th century. It was full of stuff about Vienna, hence this item. And I also went into NYC to see "Adele Bloch-Bauer" at the Klimt show at the Neue Galerie. Fascinating story about that painting and what happened to it over the years and why it is now in the possession of the Neue Galerie...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
16. I'm thinking you were there and saw it...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:02 PM
Aug 2012

I had no idea about Mucha doing this, even tho I had a Mucha reproduction in my house for several years (I gave it to my son).

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
19. Prague is another one on my bucket list!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:22 PM
Aug 2012

It sounds like it is such a beautiful city and one that escaped a lot of WW2 destruction.

Lucky you! Are you of Czech origin?

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
20. No, but I first went there in 1992 and fell in love with the city...
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:26 PM
Aug 2012

I hope to spend a year there at some point...hopefully soon!

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
22. Loved it all...but I really loved hanging out in Mala Strana
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 06:51 PM
Aug 2012

Near Old Town and the Castle and St Vitus, but not touristy and lots of neat shops and bars...lots of locals and you really get a feel for what it's like to live in this city.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
27. How about if I say Tupelo Mississippi
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:06 PM
Aug 2012


or Athol Idaho?


It means we don't have a clue where these very nice pictures are from, who painted them and so on.


Every Friday we click on to reconfirm that we are art ignoramuses, but we can still give a snarky answer to show that we like being associated with educated folks who do.

Walla Walla, Washington?

How many guesses do we get?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
28. Please dont be mad, I just didn't get the reference and I am sorry about that. I meant it..
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:12 PM
Aug 2012

I really don't think I EVER referred to anyone as an "art ignoramus" unless it was to refer to me, because that was what I was before I decided to study art. We have a nice group of art lovers here. Why are you doing this? We are a peaceful tribe who wants to live in peace with everyone. I don't understand what your problem is...

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
29. I am not mad. I am making fun of those of us, and I am in the front row
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:28 PM
Aug 2012

who marvel that people like know so much about art that you can discuss these works intelligently.

Reread the post as a self depreciating humorous post by someone who wishes they knew a fraction of what you guys know.

Yucaipa CA

am I getting closer?

Timbuktu, Mali?

There are hundreds of us how click on your threads and have absolutely no clue what you are referring to but love the fact that you guys do.

Rancho Cucamonga, CA (homage to Jack Benny)?

We can't get close to an intelligent answer so all we can offer is a little friendly snarky answer and help kick your thread.

Winnemucca NV?

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
30. Oh, I am so relieved! I thought you must just hate me!
Fri Aug 10, 2012, 08:46 PM
Aug 2012

I was telling my husband who had to talk me down...he was concerned that DU had given me a terrible blow...

OK, I get the gist...

Thanks for the reminder.

You know what? Nobody knows ANYTHING when they start out! Really, nobody! I go into the library and pull art books from the shelves and I read. That is what I do. When I find out about other books I order them from other public libraries and they deliver them and I get them. All free.
I am privileged in that I am retired. Otherwise, I couldn't do this.

We can all share in this. We really can. I am not for just a few. I want to attract everyone to my Challenge.

Please come back and be part of this!


grantcart

(53,061 posts)
32. I love to share in this and every week I click on and think I'll get some small part of it.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:34 AM
Aug 2012


here are my final guesses:


1. Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch (Wales).

2.Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateapokaiwhenuakitanatahu (New Zealand)

3. Middelfart (Denmark)

4. Poopoo (Hawaii, USA)

5. Jimboomba (Queensland, Australia)

6. Sexmoan (Philippines)

Pretty good eh? Couldn't have done it without the hints.


blaze

(6,362 posts)
44. Oh CTyankee!!!
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:06 PM
Aug 2012

I can't even begin to imagine ANYbody being disagreeable with you and these wonderful challenges!!!!

They are entertaining, educational and a total delight!!!

Don't EVER stop!!!

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
46. Aw, thanks Blaze! Your and others' encouragement keep me doing this...besides, I love the
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:22 PM
Aug 2012

"environment" of art research and it keeps my brain active as I get old!

I've got more coming and actually am doing research this coming week on future Challenges. I love the conversations on art and hearing about DUers experiences with art and travel. Quite honestly, that's why I do this...to hang out and talk about my passion...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
33. I'll hold the Challenge open for a while longer if anyone has answers...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:21 AM
Aug 2012

or is seeking a bit a refuge from "all Ryan all the time" that is just now sinking in...

Iterate

(3,020 posts)
34. I'll provide some diversion...#4 is Berlin.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:13 AM
Aug 2012

I saw it in the thread last night but for the life of me couldn't place it even though it's such a striking image and sculpture.

A phone call from a friend this morning jogged by memory...it's in Berlin, not where I misremembered, but at the Kathe Kollwitz Museum sculpture garden. I had scouted going there some years ago but couldn't make the trip.

I can't say that I'm familiar with her work, but that just gives me one more reason to move it to the top of the list. A remarkable artist.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
37. It sure LOOKS like a Matisse, doesn't it?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:16 PM
Aug 2012

It is far away from Paris...

hmmm, what's going on here....???

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
48. I only knew about it from a NYT article a few weeks ago. That's when I got the idea for
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:36 PM
Aug 2012

this thread!

I have LOVED stories about stolen artwork showing up in varied places for a while now. So this really got my interest. Why do people steal famous art? They gotta be kiddin', right?

It's really interesting and feeds my need to get new art Challenges for DU. I'm having a ball when that happens...

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
49. I love your Friday Art Challenge thread. It is one of my favorite parts of DU.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 01:51 PM
Aug 2012

I rarely know the answers and even when I think I do, like this time, I'm often fooled. I learn things in every thread and frankly, I just really love looking at the pictures. Sometimes I google the artists and look at their other work.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
50. I'm so glad you like them! And I love finding the pictures and putting them up.
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 02:49 PM
Aug 2012

I have also discovered that there are a zillion art blogs out there, people who just blog about art in regular segments and you can find the strangest (and sometimes wonderful) things about an artist or a particular work of art that you never knew before. I have also discovered that DU has a very art savvy population! And every week someone tells me about their own experience with a work or how they got to know about a particular artist. It's fascinating! I just love the stories.

librechik

(30,674 posts)
38. # 6 copy of stolen Matisse
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:31 PM
Aug 2012

recovered just a couple of weeks ago--it used to hang in Caracas as an actual Matisse--

Oops (maybe) they will be arguing over this for awhile since the copy is actually prettier than the original! (IMHO)

Big news in the art world...

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
39. Did my hint give it away or had you seen the story in the newspaper (like I did)?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 12:34 PM
Aug 2012

What is interesting is that nobody seemed to notice that the fake was so different from the original. How can that happen? I'll bet the story of the theft and the switch will be in a book soon. I just love those stories...and movies...about art heists...

librechik

(30,674 posts)
42. I'm really bad with the Italians--can't tell a Raphael from a Giotto
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:10 PM
Aug 2012

but since it looks like a fresco, it's probably still in Italy. Too many capitals there, tho especially during the Renaissance, to pick one.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
43. No, it is late enough Renaissance to be on canvas...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 02:28 PM
Aug 2012

so the answer is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esterhazy_Madonna

Apparently, it too was once stolen but was eventually found.

However, there are earlier paintings on panel, such as the Mona Lisa. IIRC, the Venetians came up with the idea for canvas because paintings on wood did not fare well in Venice's humidity...necessity again becoming the mother of invention...

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
53. Well the way I see it I was the only one that submitted a complete slate of 6 answers
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 07:59 PM
Aug 2012

so, even though each of them would have been way off, my aggregate number of 'closest guesses' would have better the smartie pants who would have gotten 2 or 3 correct but had no opinion on the other three, making my aggregate choices the winner even though none of them are within thousands of miles of the actual answer.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
54. Honey, you get a "participation" trophy! You tried!
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 08:08 PM
Aug 2012

And you are funny!

If I can solve my computer problems, we'll all be good for a long time...in the meantime, I have 3 more challenges "in the can" so to speak...

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