Every bit of bad behavior should not warrant a career death sentence.

I have to give him credit for that.

Give him no credit for that. Look into it further, please.

I do not know that he should be forever shunned, but he weaseled plenty long and only fessed up when there was no other choice. What h e did was straight-up assault and abuse of power. Sick and shitty. Let's not give him a pass simply because he knows his demographic.

If he can go forward without being a creepy asshole, and has the audience why not?

He didn't try to weasel out of it. He admitted his failings and said he would do better. I believe him.

Does Louis CK deserve a chance to keep making a living as a comedian/actor if there's a public appetite for his comedy despite his sexual misconduct?

Yes, if there is public appetite for his comedy.

He apologized, his offenses were more gross than criminal and what else is he supposed to do with the rest of his life?

very funny and almost endearing. This just killed me to know he did those things. I will have a hard time forgiving him but he did seem to be very sorry for it. Still, he knew it was wrong and thought he could get away with it. That just stinks.

I will see how I evolve on this. I think he meant his apology so let's see how it goes I guess. For me I just don't know. I cannot speak for anyone else.

MuseRider. It's not a straightforward situation, although it would be easier to accept if Louis CK remains steadfast in his remorse rather than turning it into a source of new material. There is a belief among many comedians that nothing is off limits but if Louis CK jokes about what he did to women, it would make his apology sound insincere.

I think (hope) he knows better than that. I think (hope) he IS better than that.

There was always something about the way he poked at other people running through his own self disgust or sense of not being worthy? I dunno, I will remain conflicted until he proves himself and that will take a while, it should take a while.

My entire family loved the guy.

"I am unworthy and self-loathing-this is why I did these things." It's typical playing-the-victim and is disgusting and disingenuous.
Again-I don't know if he is unredeemable, but this is a big deal and his response is textbook abuser shit.

You may or may not read some of the drivel on forums with right-wing posters but they often accuse "Libs" of being sanctimonious and smug, wanting to destroy people's careers and lives over any indiscretion. I never believed that was true, of course, and the comments here reinforce my view.

I'm tired of excusing and accepting bad behavior. Did the women he harassed out of comedy get a comeback gig? He is not the victim and not being able to tell jokes is not a punishment.

Not every sexual abuser is wealthy. What happens when it's Joe from accounting or the Rick who manages a local restaurant? We need to have a path for those people to make some form of changes and amends for their mistakes, criminal or otherwise.

or Rick who manages a restaurant one day, out of the blue, decided to whip his dick out and masterbate in front of someone.

This is abusive behavior that is dismissed as nothing. This is why they do it. Because they can. It's a joke to everyone except the harassed woman.

No, they should not be out in the workplace harassing women.

Why is a man's livelihood more important than my safety?

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Or sense of safety. Apparently nobody thinks about that.

I don't think that many men think this was serious. Maybe I am wrong. I was grabbed on the street one early morning on my way to work, the hospital made the nurses walk blocks in the early morning darkness rather that turn loose some of the coveted parking garage spots. I was terrified I was going to be dragged off, this had happened to friends of mine and me once before but no one had ever gotten his hands on me. He held me against the car just so he could masturbate then let me go. All I could think of was, "Whew, he could have taken me somewhere and raped me." It took several months for me to realize how absolutely horrible it actually was. Do you think I ever walked in the morning darkness again? This was 40 years ago and the dark brings me inside even now.

Why do we always have to be inconvenienced because of their behavior?

Maybe they should lose their jobs and family. Maybe then they would take responsibility for their actions.

He didn't just whip it out and start masturbating. He planned the assaults. Got in front of any means of egress(for the victim), undressed(again, while blocking the door), and forced them to watch him jerk off. I do hate how this is blown off just because he is a man whose comedy they like. He knew the power dynamic, abused it to get them into the apartment, and assumed his power in that realm would protect him. Real POS moves, at least.

Link to tweet

although I have been called worse.

I think that's a reasonable list of atonement items. Thanks for adding it here.

The man has been put through the mill, deservedly. But every act of sexual misconduct does not warrant the same degree of punishment. And I don't think every man who behaves like a jerk deserves to permanently lose his livlihood.

Why should I be more concerned for his family and work than he is? Shouldn't he be the one concerned that his behavior will lose him work? Shouldn't he think about that before he harasses anyone?

Maybe the reason we have Trump as president is because we excuse men's bad behavior. Maybe it's time to call this shit out.

No question what Louis did was socially inappropriate and in poor taste. As to psychic damage done by action of one lone male masturbator to three women, there may be no question that the three felt the masturbator's behavior was insulting, but as with all insults the greater the number of the recipients the less intense the emotional pain tends to be. I seriously doubt that any one of several spectators of a masturbatory display by a single "jerk" would need sessions of psychotherapy to recover from the trauma.

As to the taboo against masturbation Louie in his stage appearances as well as series episodes has been an ongoing supporter for the social acceptance of masturbation. Perhaps he did not know or had forgotten that the mere suggestion of masturbation [let's not forget the more socially acceptable terms "self-abuse/gratification"] ended the career of Clinton's surgeon general, Jocelyn Elders when she mentioned masturbation as an alternative to other forms of safe sex.

Bringing sex into comedy or comedy into sex has always been risky. Let's not forget when way, way back in the early twentieth century Mae West asked a guy, "Is that a pickle in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

When I was 10 I answered the phone and it was an obscene phone call.

Just some guy having fun and causing no harm, right?

I didn't go to school for a week after that. I was afraid there was someone out there trying to get me.

I'm 56 and to this day, I don't answer the phone. I pick up messages.

That was the first time I was harassed. I've had to change jobs, work schedules and bus schedules because of some man's "harmless" attention.

This behavior is not harmless no matter how many times you tell yourself that.

Has he done anything other than disappear for a year?

rarely change their behavior. From now on he will just be more careful.

back on air, and where does it stop ? If Louis CK comes back, who next ? Bill Cosby ? Matt Loser ?



Oh the irony of Louis CK being allowed back, and Al Franken sitting on the porch in Minnesota.... something very fucking wrong there.

He's reportedly told fans that he will be back on the air. Seems confident about a return (not to the Today Show, in all likelihood) but he figures someone is going to take him...

https://pagesix.com/2018/08/27/matt-lauer-tells-fans-hell-be-back-on-tv/

hopefully he will come back to office one day also.