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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:40 AM Sep 2018

What happened to last Friday's Huge news from Mueller, as breathlessly predicted by Chuck Todd,

based solely on the "rule" that "though shalt not interfere with a Election between Labor Day and Election Day? So HAD to be Friday...ya see.

Come a Friday...crickets.

As for the "rule", a pure fiction pulled out the stroked asses of corporate media, symbiotically attached to each other's narratives like vipers in a pit.

Which vipers, by the way, gave a huge pass to Comey for blowing that "rule" asunder forever, as I vaguely recall. Mists of time and all that...media has the same problem.

Not to mention Citizens United and the paper tigers of the FEC and broadcasting authorities have kinda made a wasteland of electoral law. But we should stick with the artificial election conventions, should we? Corporate media is surely not the enemy of the people but they sure are the enemy of full truth and full logic.

Fuck that noise. Announce and indict away, Mueller, the only rules now are yours.

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What happened to last Friday's Huge news from Mueller, as breathlessly predicted by Chuck Todd, (Original Post) Fred Sanders Sep 2018 OP
here you go... DonViejo Sep 2018 #1
That was the bombshell? fallout87 Sep 2018 #20
Pertains to politicians....so people like roger stone or don jr or Kirshner can be beachbum bob Sep 2018 #2
Also, Scott Dworkin manor321 Sep 2018 #3
Actually, something did happen that may turn out to be more important The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #4
Linking this back to Trump crime family is going to be hard. Using Patten's testimony in the Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #12
Todd was wrong C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #5
Found this tweet from Jeet Heer from a longer Tweet, posted here....different context, but... Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #9
The alleged "60-days-before-election" rule would make Sept. 7 the deadline. highplainsdem Sep 2018 #6
I was not aware of the Patten plea agreement, that was News for sure, but I hope you are right Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #7
There is no "deadline." There's a policy, but it's not a law or a rule. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #10
Agree. That was why I callled it an alleged rule. highplainsdem Sep 2018 #11
I think Patten's guilty plea is a pretty big deal. panader0 Sep 2018 #8
It might turn out to be a very big deal. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2018 #13
trum always insists others follow rules, while he breaks them. Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #14
No. kurtcagle Sep 2018 #16
Another layer for sure. Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #17
More to the point, people here have been predicting the imminent firing PoindexterOglethorpe Sep 2018 #15
I was thinking about the Friday thing too. Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #18
But Papadapolous filed a sentencing memorandum that had key information. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #19
I'm pretty sure a more objective observer would describe Todd more accurately mythology Sep 2018 #21
people don't know how potentially biggly Pattens cooperation deal is. gibraltar72 Sep 2018 #22
Right in line with Chuck Toad's % correct totals. n/t retread Sep 2018 #23
 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
2. Pertains to politicians....so people like roger stone or don jr or Kirshner can be
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:44 AM
Sep 2018

indicted...under the same DOJ policy

 

manor321

(3,344 posts)
3. Also, Scott Dworkin
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:46 AM
Sep 2018

Remember when Scott Dworkin said he was "hearing" that Trump Jr. would be indicted last week?

Yet people keep posting Scott Dworkin's endless crap.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
4. Actually, something did happen that may turn out to be more important
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:52 AM
Sep 2018

than it initially appeared to be. That was the guilty plea of Sam Patten. He's another sleazy lobbyist who pled to serving as an agent of Konstantin Kilimnik and Serhiy Lyovochkin without registering under FARA - but what's important is what he copped to in exchange for cooperating. That includes acting as a straw purchaser for Russians of $50K worth of tickets to the inauguration, which is also illegal. This is important because it's likely that the investigation will find more straw purchasers directing money to Trump and his campaign. In exchange for his cooperation Patten was also not charged for lying to the Senate Intelligence Committee - which he did. This tells us the investigators will use lying to Congress as leverage to get cooperation. Don Jr. lied to several committees. If he isn't worried yet, he should start worrying now.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
12. Linking this back to Trump crime family is going to be hard. Using Patten's testimony in the
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:06 AM
Sep 2018

upcoming direct link to 🇺🇦 trial, probably. Turning one caught rat so as to turn another screw into another potential rat.

Plea agreements revealed in full to the defence and filed in court before the trial is probably not uncommon, the actual deal having been made much earlier.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
9. Found this tweet from Jeet Heer from a longer Tweet, posted here....different context, but...
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:03 AM
Sep 2018

13. "If the rule you followed brought you to this, of what use was the rule?" -- Anton Chigurh. That's the question we have to ask the establishment. The rules they followed brought us here, and now they want us to return to those rules.

highplainsdem

(49,004 posts)
6. The alleged "60-days-before-election" rule would make Sept. 7 the deadline.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:56 AM
Sep 2018

This coming Friday, NOT last Friday.

But since Donald Trump ISN'T up for re-election, I'm not sure it should apply anyway.

If Mueller is planning to keep as quiet as possible for 60 days, though, I'd expect indictments between Tuesday and Friday.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
7. I was not aware of the Patten plea agreement, that was News for sure, but I hope you are right
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:59 AM
Sep 2018

about this week before a Friday...but the window is not closed after, for any reason.

Also Manafort trial 2 in 3 weeks is gonna be front burner stuff!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
10. There is no "deadline." There's a policy, but it's not a law or a rule.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:04 AM
Sep 2018
There is indeed a Justice Department policy against taking significant prosecutorial actions in the weeks leading up to an election if those actions might influence the election’s outcome. But this is not a formal rule written down anywhere , nor has it been mandated by a court or by Congress. It’s variously referred to as a “norm,” “tradition” or “custom” within the department. And there’s not always agreement about what exactly the policy means or when it should apply.
...
First, the policy is most critical when the Justice Department action directly relates to someone who is a candidate in the upcoming election. That’s not the case here: The president is not on the ballot, nor are any of the other people who could potentially be in Mueller’s crosshairs.

The concerns underlying the policy also are heightened when the Justice Department actions would be a surprise, an unexpected bombshell that reshapes the political landscape. But the details of Mueller’s investigation are widely known, and any potential implications are probably baked into the election already. Short of indicting the president himself, it’s hard to imagine much Mueller could do that would dramatically alter the current picture.
...
Finally, the concerns about Justice Department action should be most pronounced when there is a risk the prosecution could seem politically motivated; if a prosecutor from one party could appear to be trying to take down a politician from the other. But despite the president’s repeated tweets about “angry Democrats” investigating him, Mueller is a Republican, and any steps he takes will be approved by Trump’s own Republican deputy attorney general.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dont-be-so-sure-mueller-will-back-off-before-midterms/2018/08/31/27cc802e-ad4d-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html?utm_term=.d4b66c9308d7

Realistically, Mueller probably will follow the policy and lay low. But don't buy the Trump/Giuliani line that he is required to or that there's a deadline.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
8. I think Patten's guilty plea is a pretty big deal.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:01 AM
Sep 2018

It may not have been what Todd had in mind. I think Chuck was just
making a generalization about the supposed due date of Labor Day.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,734 posts)
13. It might turn out to be a very big deal.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:06 AM
Sep 2018

Patten has been cooperating since May. He wouldn't have gotten such a good deal if he didn't have information to deliver.

kurtcagle

(1,603 posts)
16. No.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:59 AM
Sep 2018

He insists only upon loyalty to him. He encourages others to break the law ... it adds to the smokescreen.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
15. More to the point, people here have been predicting the imminent firing
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:22 AM
Sep 2018

of Mueller or Sessions or both on a weekly basis since early last year. Sometimes unreliable sources are quoted. Sometimes it's just a generic "It will happen in the Friday news dump" nonsense.

The constant predictions have long since become meaningless.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
18. I was thinking about the Friday thing too.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:07 PM
Sep 2018

And nothing happened so that dt couldn't say 'no collusion' everyday of his life. Hire more people Mr Mueller and lets get it initiated. We can fill in the gaps later. The world is heating up. Our country is being poisoned and pillaged. If that's not cause for some urgency, i dunno.

Grasswire2

(13,571 posts)
19. But Papadapolous filed a sentencing memorandum that had key information.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:35 PM
Sep 2018

Seth Abramson says it is key information that leads him to believe that Sessions has been cooperating with Mueller in an agreement.

The key has to do with the meeting of March 31 2016. Here are a few of Seth's tweets on the topic. And see below for more.


Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
19h19 hours ago

NOTE/ My own opinion? It's likely that no assurances have been made by Mueller to Sessions, but that based on Mueller's interview with Sessions it's clear to both men that Sessions has liability here for perjury and more—so Sessions stays on in order to maintain leverage to deal.
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Seth Abramson
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19h19 hours ago

PS/ Yes, I realize the possibility Sessions is a cooperating witness would suggest a stunning answer to my question from last week ("Why doesn't Sessions just resign?&quot : because Mueller has told him *not* to.

A crazy thought—a cooperating witness protecting his prosecutor's job.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
19h19 hours ago

10/ The only question is why Papadopoulos persists in saying he told no campaign official of the hacked emails Mifsud alerted him to—but *did* tell the Greek Foreign Minister, who the campaign sent him to meet. Impossible. I suspect it's a fact it's been agreed he won't disclose.
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Seth Abramson
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19h19 hours ago

9/ Major media reports that *three witnesses*—people who attended the March 31, 2016 meeting—concur with what Papadopoulos says, so calling it the "theory of the case" for Mueller and his team is no stretch (particularly given who says something else happened, and their motives).
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
19h19 hours ago

4/ Papadopoulos positions Sessions in particular as one of two things: either a current cooperating witness in the Mueller probe *or* a target of that probe. And he positions Trump as the target of the collusion probe—not merely the coverup after the offense. I was right about...
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
19h19 hours ago

3/ Simply put (and we need to be *clear*, as this is shattering information): Mueller believes Trump and Sessions approved a Russian backchannel in March 2016; he believes both of them have lied about their actions since then (Sessions under oath), and he has a case against both.
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Seth Abramson
?Verified account @SethAbramson
19h19 hours ago

2/ If Trump, Sessions, Gordon, and two other members of the National Security Advisory Committee (the Trump-Russia scandal's CREEP-equivalent unit) were willing to lie about what happened at that meeting, it's to cover their involvement in things that came *after* that meeting


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gibraltar72

(7,506 posts)
22. people don't know how potentially biggly Pattens cooperation deal is.
Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:23 PM
Sep 2018

Gets us at doorstep of Bannon, Cambridge Analytica and Trump inauguration committee. I believe it opens new doors. I think it has big implications. I said on day 1 if it gets to Mercer it is legitimate.

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