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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWaPo: Don't be so sure Mueller will back off before midterms
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dont-be-so-sure-mueller-will-back-off-before-midterms/2018/08/31/27cc802e-ad4d-11e8-a8d7-0f63ab8b1370_story.html-snip-
Its also clear that choosing when to apply the policy is a matter of discretion and judgment, one that requires an evaluation of any potential impact on the coming election. And theres good reason to doubt whether the policy actually has much force with respect to the Mueller investigation.
First, the policy is most critical when the Justice Department action directly relates to someone who is a candidate in the upcoming election. Thats not the case here: The president is not on the ballot, nor are any of the other people who could potentially be in Muellers crosshairs.
The concerns underlying the policy also are heightened when the Justice Department actions would be a surprise, an unexpected bombshell that reshapes the political landscape. But the details of Muellers investigation are widely known, and any potential implications are probably baked into the election already. Short of indicting the president himself, its hard to imagine much Mueller could do that would dramatically alter the current picture.
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Finally, the concerns about Justice Department action should be most pronounced when there is a risk the prosecution could seem politically motivated; if a prosecutor from one party could appear to be trying to take down a politician from the other. But despite the presidents repeated tweets about angry Democrats investigating him, Mueller is a Republican, and any steps he takes will be approved by Trumps own Republican deputy attorney general.
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The author, Randall Eliason, thinks Mueller might opt to keep quiet anyway because of the Trump admin's political propaganda trying to claim this is a hard and fast rule, so anything Mueller does will be viewed by Trump supporters or anyone else naive enough to believe Trump as a partisan witch hunt.
But there's been no indication so far that Mueller is afraid of Trump, or of what Trump supporters will think of him.
GemDigger
(4,305 posts)investigating corruption. This is not a presidential election for goodness sake.
True Dough
(17,331 posts)But I think he's calculated. Not in a cunning way, but in a strategic way. I trust Mueller will do what's in the best interest of the American public.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)the idea that 2 years have gone by and no charges have been brought to stop his judicial meanderings and his destruction of the county is borderline unacceptable...yeah I know...he's done this and this, and this, and this, but don is still enjoying eggs benedict on the veranda and paying himself AND everyone who works for him, on American Taxpayer dollars, while he golfs and travels around on a free jet. It shouldn't have taken this long. Now anything that happens they have a milquetoast defense that will be more than enough for his 25% base. Extremely disappointing delays in a federal investigation that couldve started w a few charges long ago to take the head of steam off the whole family. It's not ok. Hire 50 more prosecutors...why not...the treasury is being raided already, why not spend some for us, and get the shit done. What's the hold-up? Waiting until seniors lose their pensions and insurance and are in the streets protesting bc...hey...theyre all relegated to living in the streets already? HURRY UP MUELLER.
GusBob
(7,286 posts)If there is evidence that the Russians are still interfering, we better see it
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Mueller made the assertion in a filing in U.S. District Court in Washington, in his prosecution of 13 Russian nationals and three companies who were indicted in February on charges including interference in the 2016 presidential election. It says the government believes foreign "individuals and entities" are continuing to "engage in interference operations like those charged in the present indictment."
Besides potentially compromising intelligence sources and techniques, Mueller wrote, allowing wider access would the publicly identify "uncharged individuals and entities that the government believes are continuing to engage in interference operations like those charged in the present indictment."
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Dan Coats, the director of national intelligence, last week issued a similar warning about November's elections, saying at a conference in France: "It is 2018, and we continue to see Russian targeting of American society in ways that could affect our midterm elections."
Trump has denied any collusion with Russia and tweeted specifically in response to the indictments in February that "the Trump campaign did nothing wrong no collusion!"
Russia, as well, has repeatedly denied any effort to influence the election.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/foreign-interference-u-s-elections-still-going-mueller-tells-judge-n882601
So, should we frustratedly now insist for 'more' evidence, or 'different' evidence, and stamp our feet at the inconvenient pace of an investigation that goes to the very heart of our national security?
lastlib
(23,309 posts)...is on any Americans (esp. tRump clique) who participated in the interference. Mueller may already have it, but he needs to be able to make an airtight, indisputable case.
FreepFryer
(7,077 posts)Nt
Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)That's what Mueller will produce in the coming indictments and trials.
A good boxer works the body, then the head. The knockout punch comes after the torso is sufficiently bruised.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)are not
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,045 posts)Most are convinced he is "Deep State", part of a "slow-motion coup" and "evil".
The smaller group are the Q cultists who believe he is working closely with tRump and Sessions. The theory goes that tRump's tirades against Sessions are just to make him a hero with Left Wingers so that when the arrests of LW leaders are made, the LW will accept it. They think that HRC, Obama, Holder, Lynch, Podestas, and many others will be arrested and indicted for pedophilia and worse crimes. They thought it was all going to happen in July, based on Q drops and now they think October because Q quoted tRump's (ordinary) declaration of September as Preparedness Month.
Yup. It's that bad, in both camps.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)BSdetect
(8,999 posts)Eyeball_Kid
(7,434 posts)This matter is complicated and has significance by degrees of magnitude over any previous scandal in our history.
I'm beginning to suspect that some trolling is going on at DU. The rush to indictment seems like a concerted effort to influence and divide the DU membership. A "rush to indictment" is a subtle criticism of Mueller. It lays the groundwork for further doubt.
Always have an eye out for subterfuge, DUers
gibraltar72
(7,512 posts)calimary
(81,511 posts)djacq
(1,634 posts)Gothmog
(145,619 posts)Codifer
(548 posts)I always considered myself a patient old man but I found myself (often) wishing that Mueller would hurry up and end this damned national shame.... until I remembered an old joke. It is a bit off color and probly not PC at all so I will apologize in advance.
On a spring day an old bull and a young bull were standing on a hill. In the meadow below was a small group of cows. The young bull said, "I got an idea, let's run down the hill and fuck a couple of those cows". The old bull looked at him with derision, "I got a better idea, let's WALK down the hill.... and fuck 'em all!".
I figure that this hideous coup is deep, very widespread and has been building for decades. It is vital that all these traitors are... well... fucked! Done poorly or not timed well; the result will be civil war.
Mueller knows this, he's a pretty old bull.
Cheers