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did this happen, what is your take? (Original Post) AmandaRuth Sep 2018 OP
OMG. Laffy Kat Sep 2018 #1
She's obviously put there on purpose C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #2
Zina Bash is the young nazi's name C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #11
given that she is jewish, I am doubting its intentional Amishman Sep 2018 #19
Did you look at the video? C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #20
No she was clearly doing the white power crap. rockfordfile Sep 2018 #27
Come on. Wake up. That little nazi in the trump WH, Steven Miller is Jewish too. brush Sep 2018 #28
As is Jared n/t shanti Sep 2018 #29
that looks uncomfortable - must be done on purpose lame54 Sep 2018 #3
Knowing the camera was on her, she flashes the WP hand sign. MineralMan Sep 2018 #4
Not a WP hand sign. That's a hoax, from last year Bonx Sep 2018 #10
Not so sure that some either haven't gotten that message, or decided to adopt the hand salin Sep 2018 #14
The miscreants at 4chan are giggling even more. Bonx Sep 2018 #15
it was started as a 4chan spoof, but seems to have been adopted by the actual bigots Amishman Sep 2018 #24
No it hasn't other than to perpetuate the troll Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #25
It is now, Bonx. MineralMan Sep 2018 #18
I don't legitimize foolish hoaxes Bonx Sep 2018 #37
Get up to date. brush Sep 2018 #30
Yes, it is shocking... StarryNite Sep 2018 #5
She's definitely posing get the red out Sep 2018 #6
She's succeeded in looking mean... StarryNite Sep 2018 #9
There's 2 threads on it, you might find them informative. Pathwalker Sep 2018 #7
Yes - info here Leghorn21 Sep 2018 #8
Who is the un-American racist pos? rockfordfile Sep 2018 #12
ok AmandaRuth Sep 2018 #13
Just wow. FM123 Sep 2018 #16
Well, isn't this kkkozy? C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #17
Isn't that also American Sign Language for Asshole? BaileyBill Sep 2018 #21
White power sign workinclasszero Sep 2018 #22
More information about Zina Bash Blueplanet Sep 2018 #23
It's not a white power symbol. That entire claim is a troll from 4chan Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #26
White supremacists have co-opted the OK sign just as they did the Pepe the Frog character. brush Sep 2018 #31
No they really haven't Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #34
You're equating trolling with flashing the sign. Well, duh! Yeah, they're spreading the message. brush Sep 2018 #35
Got a link on that? Kingofalldems Sep 2018 #39
How do you link to a negative? Lee-Lee Sep 2018 #42
That was then, this is now. LuckyCharms Sep 2018 #32
It looked pretty damned intentional to me matt819 Sep 2018 #33
Who knows, but I wouldn't have taken the bait. nolabear Sep 2018 #36
Looks more like she's popping a boil, honestly. But I'm fine with white wing Hoyt Sep 2018 #38
I think we are getting somewhat paranoid. Reminds me of the doc03 Sep 2018 #40
It may or may not be a White Power sign...what it surely is however, is a thumbing of the nose. Caliman73 Sep 2018 #41
Zina Bash received a text message Blueplanet Sep 2018 #43
yeah, i was thinking about that AmandaRuth Sep 2018 #44

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
2. She's obviously put there on purpose
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 03:55 PM
Sep 2018

She's been making exaggerated cartoony happy/sad expressions all day long. And now, White Power hand signals. It's like having an evil republican mime over his shoulder. I hate mimes.

ps. she's definitely a key member of his team as she escorted him out at the break. This sounds like an investigative job for Rachel

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
19. given that she is jewish, I am doubting its intentional
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:21 PM
Sep 2018

her parents are jewish polish immigrants according to Google results, I kinda doubt she'd be flashing a neonazi symbol

rockfordfile

(8,704 posts)
27. No she was clearly doing the white power crap.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:41 PM
Sep 2018

Being Jewish here has nothing really to do with it. There are right-wing Jewish folks that are for pushing white power crap. They even existed in Nazi Germany.

salin

(48,955 posts)
14. Not so sure that some either haven't gotten that message, or decided to adopt the hand
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:09 PM
Sep 2018

sign after that press.

This story has a recent picture of the Patriot Prayer and Proud Boys - and they are proudly flashing the symbol.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/why-young-men-of-color-are-joining-white-supremacist-groups?ref=scroll

Amishman

(5,559 posts)
24. it was started as a 4chan spoof, but seems to have been adopted by the actual bigots
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:33 PM
Sep 2018

and people who like to be offensive just to piss people off.

Pathwalker

(6,599 posts)
7. There's 2 threads on it, you might find them informative.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 03:57 PM
Sep 2018

She worked for him. And Ted Cruz. She's been IDed.

AmandaRuth

(3,105 posts)
13. ok
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:08 PM
Sep 2018

read the bios "she worked on immigration policy for the tRump white house" well, yes of course she did. work on the policy and make the hand signal.

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
17. Well, isn't this kkkozy?
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:15 PM
Sep 2018

Quite a klan they got there...

https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/West-Texas-new-chief-law-enforcement-officer-12830214.php




John Bash (right) is sworn in Thursday April 12, 2018 at the Federal Courthouse in Austin, Texas as President Trump's appointee as the new U.S. Attorney for the Western District of Texas by Brett M. Kavanaugh (left) as Bash's wife Zina Bash (center) looks on. Bash, a graduate of Harvard, has argued cases before the United States Supreme Court and clerked for the late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. less

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
22. White power sign
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:27 PM
Sep 2018

A signal to the racist republican base that the fix is in for their boy.

My God, Trump, Putin and Fox “news” have just about destroyed American democracy!

Blueplanet

(253 posts)
23. More information about Zina Bash
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:27 PM
Sep 2018

Father: Dr. Lawrence Gelman, Texas anesthesiology; Dr. Gelman's Book, “The Fall From Grace” Dr. Gelman has a Youtube video.
Mother: Maria Esperanza Gelman Mata
[link:https://everipedia.org/wiki/dr-lawrence-gelman/|

Trendsmap.com info: ]https://www.trendsmap.com/twitter/tweet/1037033721235263488

Apparently, she worked on the Immigration policy.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
26. It's not a white power symbol. That entire claim is a troll from 4chan
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:36 PM
Sep 2018

Some of y’all are falling for it so hard your reposting the fake ACLU warnings they made up.

This looks like more trolling aimed at the same thing- to make people think on the left look stupid for falling for a totally made up claim about that being racist.

https://www.adl.org/blog/no-the-ok-gesture-is-not-a-hate-symbol

brush

(53,871 posts)
31. White supremacists have co-opted the OK sign just as they did the Pepe the Frog character.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:47 PM
Sep 2018

No one's falling for anything.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
34. No they really haven't
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 05:02 PM
Sep 2018

Part of my job is monitoring these groups and what they do.

The only use of that sign has been when they perpetuate the trolling.

There is no credible evidence they are using it seriously. The only places I see those claims are from people who fell for the initial trolling and now want to save face.

And by perpetuating the claims they just make the trolling even more effective.

brush

(53,871 posts)
35. You're equating trolling with flashing the sign. Well, duh! Yeah, they're spreading the message.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 05:04 PM
Sep 2018
 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
42. How do you link to a negative?
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 06:28 PM
Sep 2018

Here is a good article on how it all started:

https://www.adl.org/blog/no-the-ok-gesture-is-not-a-hate-symbol

As for a link that it’s still not actually used- what you won’t find is any credible source that tracks these groups and puts out intelligence on them saying it is a legitimate what power sign. And that includes the ADL who is very vigilant in tracking this stuff, and the above article shows their reporting on it.

LuckyCharms

(17,459 posts)
32. That was then, this is now.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:51 PM
Sep 2018

When a symbol is adopted by a group, it then becomes the symbol of that group.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
33. It looked pretty damned intentional to me
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 04:55 PM
Sep 2018

To say nothing of the smirk.

IMHO, there is no question what she was doing.

Her FB and Twitter accounts are doubtless being scoured right now, and they'll be taken down in less than 48 hours.

nolabear

(41,991 posts)
36. Who knows, but I wouldn't have taken the bait.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 05:06 PM
Sep 2018

It's a terrible thing to do if she did it but it's easy to deny and then call people hysterical and biased for bringing it up. And it's a pointless dog whistle if it is true.

We need to keep our eyes on Kavanaugh and the Senate and Bernstein's monster of a book right now.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
38. Looks more like she's popping a boil, honestly. But I'm fine with white wing
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 05:11 PM
Sep 2018

rhetoric if it makes some feel good.

IMO, All this is not going to help us, might even hurt in end. November 2016 was the time to stop Kav and GOPers.

doc03

(35,378 posts)
40. I think we are getting somewhat paranoid. Reminds me of the
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 05:38 PM
Sep 2018

"Terrorist Fist Bump" the Obama's were accused of by the right.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
41. It may or may not be a White Power sign...what it surely is however, is a thumbing of the nose.
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 06:01 PM
Sep 2018

The veracity of the OK sign as a full fledged White Power symbol is still being debated. What isn't really debated at this point is that many on the alt-right and many within Trump's circle of support flash the sign as a way to communicate something internally and to thumb their noses at the press and at liberals.

There are people who responded saying that the Anti-Defamation League said that the sign is a hoax and while the ADL is a respected name in the identification of anti-Semitic symbols, the article is from 2017 and the source that it uses to show that the sign may be a hoax is the 4-Chan thread itself that announces the idea of trolling the press and others with the OK sign.

Here is an interesting take that is a little more current, though it doesn't settle the debate.

https://lifehacker.com/is-this-an-innocent-ok-sign-or-a-white-power-symbol-1825575794

The take away for me is what the author says toward the end about when you have people like Milo Y, Stephen Miller, and other people widely known to hold White Supremacist views make the sign in a context that is at minimum ambiguous and with the intent to irritate or tweak members of the Press, people on social media, and liberals. Complete jerks are using the symbol for the purpose of being complete jerks. Whatever it means internally and whatever interpretations it has gained by association, will at one point make the use of the symbol contextual.

For Bash to be making any kind of symbol or anything that can be construed as a symbol is at the most flattering appraisal, unprofessional. She's been in politics long enough to know better.

Blueplanet

(253 posts)
43. Zina Bash received a text message
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 07:32 PM
Sep 2018

Just prior to making the hand gesture.
Notice she is reading something just prior to making the hand gesture.
[link:


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AmandaRuth

(3,105 posts)
44. yeah, i was thinking about that
Tue Sep 4, 2018, 09:06 PM
Sep 2018

she is a Washington R insider, I wonder who she hangs with, who is in her inner circle, could this have been a hello to a close "friend", an answer to a dare, or something like that. I don't think she knows what kind of trouble she has gotten herself in.

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