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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 06:21 AM Aug 2012

What an eleventh-hour, hail-mary, fly-by-night operation...

Been listening to the MSNBC "breaking news" coverage and then to MSNBC Weekend's Alex Witt (and even Fox intermittently).

They're all trying to hide their astonishment, but making a bad job of it.

I get the distinct impression that the Ryan choice is nothing but a desperate emergency response to some really dire internal polling results.

That they would roll this guy out at 8:30 on a Saturday morning, during the once every-four-year spectacle of the Olympics finale, speaks of disarray and panic.

I can't believe this was their original game plan...

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What an eleventh-hour, hail-mary, fly-by-night operation... (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 OP
I guess more than one sinkhole opened up this week tomm2thumbs Aug 2012 #1
And let's hope it leads straight to electoral hell! Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #3
If only it were stopping there... <g> tomm2thumbs Aug 2012 #5
the Andrea Paul moment and Mitt's Cry Uncle my record is off limits moment TeamPooka Aug 2012 #40
The original game plan was overly simplistic because Mitt was cocky BeyondGeography Aug 2012 #2
Spot on analysis, BG... Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #4
His game plan was that as a rich white guy everyone would kneel before him the moment he announced tclambert Aug 2012 #6
I doubt this guy has heard "No" very often in his privileged life... Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #8
The guy has been running for office for ~19 years and only won once. Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #14
As goes the hackneyed saying: Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #30
you mean his "whiteness" superiority? BlueToTheBone Aug 2012 #18
+1 madokie Aug 2012 #22
right on the money lillypaddle Aug 2012 #19
"Hail Mary" KansDem Aug 2012 #7
Go for broke and double down--put your whole stake on the table! Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #10
That they would roll this guy out at 8:30 on a Saturday morning, during the once every-four-year MADem Aug 2012 #9
It's either a result of panic or astonishing incompetence! Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #12
I agree--one or the other or maybe even both at once!! MADem Aug 2012 #17
You beat me to that! Both...at once. BlueToTheBone Aug 2012 #31
second best news dump time - Saturday morning cbdo2007 Aug 2012 #29
They are so desperate to change the subject from Rmoney's taxes Motown_Johnny Aug 2012 #11
True, MJ, but every time Pauly opens his pie hole about Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #13
First question I want to ask is how many tax returns did RYAN have to pony up? MADem Aug 2012 #32
The tax talk just won't stop... dixvilleninotchka Aug 2012 #15
What you said, dixville! From your keyboard Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #16
Thanks Surya. dixvilleninotchka Aug 2012 #42
"With any luck it will . . . poison Ryan's political future so he won't be able to get any traction. CrispyQ Aug 2012 #26
Me too, Crispy! Self-satisfied, doctrinaire dick, Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #28
One of two things will happen--he'll either be the wimp tail to rMoney's ass dragging dog (apologies MADem Aug 2012 #33
Amen. Besides Obama winning, this is the other very good thing that will hopefully NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #37
Yeah, NYC, like I said in another thread--two for the Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #39
The timing is odd too underpants Aug 2012 #20
Reeks of desperation--it's obvious that this move Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #21
Anyone remember this from this past week? BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #23
Obviously, a last minute, panicked decision Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #25
It's going to get even worse. Panasonic Aug 2012 #24
Such is the nature of hail-mary passes... Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #27
Anybody wondering if Pawlenty and Portman said "no"? gkhouston Aug 2012 #34
Interesting that neither one was anywhere to be seen. Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #36
exactly, SG bigtree Aug 2012 #35
How true, bigtree. This little exercise was a perfect Surya Gayatri Aug 2012 #38
Ryan as a choice is to satisfy the base. The Second Stone Aug 2012 #41

TeamPooka

(24,254 posts)
40. the Andrea Paul moment and Mitt's Cry Uncle my record is off limits moment
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:18 PM
Aug 2012

cant have that clip running all weekend.
So you roll out the dude you had planned for next week
DURING THE OLYMPICS.
Then you cancel all interviews.
Standard Operating Procedure right?
holy f**king s**t!

BeyondGeography

(39,379 posts)
2. The original game plan was overly simplistic because Mitt was cocky
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 06:28 AM
Aug 2012

So sure he was that his personal superiority to Obama would be plain as day to economically desperate Americans, the same people he's been rolling over all his life.

But then the punches started coming. He'd seen that before, having run against Teddy Kennedy, but that was a Kennedy, a fellow aristocrat worthy of at least some respect. No way Obama could hit better and harder, no way the American people would buy it...

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
4. Spot on analysis, BG...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 06:34 AM
Aug 2012
"So sure he was that his personal superiority to Obama would be plain as day to economically desperate Americans..."

"No way Obama could hit better and harder, no way the American people would buy it"

I bet he doesn't know what's hit him! Probably reeling from the blows--made this choice in a panic.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
6. His game plan was that as a rich white guy everyone would kneel before him the moment he announced
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:12 AM
Aug 2012

his candidacy. "Behold! I am come! To save you from the Black Man and those who care about the poor. I promise to cut my own taxes and reduce middle class workers to servitude. For lo, I shall do for this country as Bain Capital did for the companies I bought. And I shall profit greatly. So let it be written. So let it be done."

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
8. I doubt this guy has heard "No" very often in his privileged life...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:40 AM
Aug 2012

Welcome to the real world, MittWit!

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
14. The guy has been running for office for ~19 years and only won once.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:49 AM
Aug 2012

He then didn't run for reelection and left office with an approval rating of ~34%.

If he is still that delusional, after his record of almost total failure, he needs the best psychiatrists money can buy. Good thing he can afford them.

I think he does politics as a hobby since he hasn't had a real job since 1999-2002 (we don't really know when he left that job). He is up against professionals now and is out of his league.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
30. As goes the hackneyed saying:
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:18 AM
Aug 2012
"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result"

There's some real casework here for a good therapist or shrink. Major Oedipal issues in Mitt's past, I think.

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
18. you mean his "whiteness" superiority?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:10 AM
Aug 2012

I think that is quite right. Who wouldn't want a white bastard over a compassionate black man?

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
7. "Hail Mary"
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:39 AM
Aug 2012

My exact thought when I heard the news. They're going down and this is a last-ditch attempt to "win." I mean, why feign an image of political savvy when you can put all your right-wing poison into one vessel just in case you actually pull it off. Like the kid who grabs all the cookies in the cookie jar instead of just one because he knows he has almost no chance of getting out of the kitchen unnoticed by mom.

Besides, there's always Diebold and voter suppression...

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
10. Go for broke and double down--put your whole stake on the table!
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:43 AM
Aug 2012

I sure as hell hope the O campaign is well lawyered up and ready to take preemptive action in the face of voter suppression and election fraud!!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
9. That they would roll this guy out at 8:30 on a Saturday morning, during the once every-four-year
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:42 AM
Aug 2012
spectacle of the Olympics finale, speaks of disarray and panic.




That's right on the money, IMO.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
17. I agree--one or the other or maybe even both at once!!
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:01 AM
Aug 2012

All well with me--hope you're doing well, yourself!

BlueToTheBone

(3,747 posts)
31. You beat me to that! Both...at once.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:30 AM
Aug 2012

Glad to hear all is well with you and yours. We survived a terribly difficult knee replacement surgery. All is well here, too.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
11. They are so desperate to change the subject from Rmoney's taxes
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:45 AM
Aug 2012

that they are willing to debate Ryan's budget.



aka


Damn this frying pan is hot, we should jump down into that fire!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
13. True, MJ, but every time Pauly opens his pie hole about
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:48 AM
Aug 2012

the deficit, the implicit, unspoken sub-text will be Mitt's tax status! Delicious!

MADem

(135,425 posts)
32. First question I want to ask is how many tax returns did RYAN have to pony up?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:33 AM
Aug 2012

When the Catholic Bishops don't like the Ryan budget, that's problematic for Ryan and RMoney!

He'd be longing for the days that they talk about his taxes...if he could get them off that subject.

I think they're all of a piece--one lies about his taxes, the other tries to get them lowered for rich folk like his New Boss!

15. The tax talk just won't stop...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:54 AM
Aug 2012

So it's time to move up the VP announcement and make it Ryan for the surprise! factor.

It won't stop the taxes/millions/offshore accounts nightmare that Willard has been unable to shut down, it will give him a few days break from it, a week at most.

It will temporarily mollify some of the tea baggers and they will come out and vote for these idiots so they'll get some poll bumps.

It won't win them the election.

With any luck it will not only dig the Republican loss even deeper for this year in Florida (among other places), but poison Ryan's political future so he won't be able to get any traction on 2016. People have some strange ideas about Ryan. They're about to get enlightened.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
16. What you said, dixville! From your keyboard
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:58 AM
Aug 2012

to god's ears...
"With any luck it will not only dig the Republican loss even deeper for this year in Florida (among other places), but poison Ryan's political future so he won't be able to get any traction on 2016."

P.S. And a big welcome to DU! Excellent post!

CrispyQ

(36,509 posts)
26. "With any luck it will . . . poison Ryan's political future so he won't be able to get any traction.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:34 AM
Aug 2012

Fuckin' A! I can't stand that little shit. He's so fuckin' smug, I just want to smack his smugness off his face.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
28. Me too, Crispy! Self-satisfied, doctrinaire dick,
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 09:04 AM
Aug 2012

without any redeeming personal qualities.

He's sure to be a hit on the campaign trail--Not! Except among the mouth-breathers, of course.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
33. One of two things will happen--he'll either be the wimp tail to rMoney's ass dragging dog (apologies
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:35 AM
Aug 2012

to the late and tortured Seamus), or he'll be regarded as the "hero" who did all he could, but was bested by forces beyond his control, to rescue a dogshit campaign.

Good thing Ryan has what's called a "strong nose"--he'll need it for all the brown-nosing he's going to have to do in the next eighty some odd days.

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
37. Amen. Besides Obama winning, this is the other very good thing that will hopefully
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:00 AM
Aug 2012

come out of this!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
39. Yeah, NYC, like I said in another thread--two for the
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:21 AM
Aug 2012

price of one.

Give the "coup de grace" to Rmoney's faltering campaign and cripple Ryan as a future political force.

underpants

(182,878 posts)
20. The timing is odd too
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:18 AM
Aug 2012

a Saturday in the middle of August? The last weekend of the Olympics?

They should have had this ready to go 3 weeks ago to kill of the tax return story and they clearly waited a few extra days so that Ryan could finish his vacation.


Newsies like us will follow this but for most people the first reaction will be "Who is Paul Ryan?" the second reaction will be "Is he old enough to be President?"

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
21. Reeks of desperation--it's obvious that this move
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:24 AM
Aug 2012

wasn't in their game plan at the beginning of the week. Then came those polls.

I'm sure they would've preferred to wait for the Olympics to be over and to have the media stage to themselves.

The whold thing just smells of disorganized planning on the fly.

BumRushDaShow

(129,446 posts)
23. Anyone remember this from this past week?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:28 AM
Aug 2012
http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/07/13169966-paul-ryan-set-to-take-vacation-amid-vp-fervor?lite

OAK CREEK, WI — As speculation over whom Mitt Romney might choose as a running mate reaches a fever pitch, one of the Republicans rumored to be on the short list — Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan — is going on vacation.

Ryan told reporters here that he is taking his family to Colorado, beginning Saturday, for a weeklong trip during the summer congressional recess.

"I'm just doing my August schedule as I planned my August," Ryan said, adding that he will first spend the next two days campaigning in Northwest Wisconsin for local candidates.

Friday, Ryan said he will spend the day in his native Janesville preparing for his trip by getting his tent and backpack ready.


Are they idiotic amateurs or what?
 

Panasonic

(2,921 posts)
24. It's going to get even worse.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:30 AM
Aug 2012

Because of the budget and the fact that Ryan brings absolutely zero to Romney's policies.

Polls will dive, and the only way Romney wins if the black boxes give them the "edge".

It is not going to happen. Romney is so out of touch and so unpopular, that he is the Lurch the Fucking Stiff™.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
27. Such is the nature of hail-mary passes...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 08:36 AM
Aug 2012

risk big in hopes of winning big...but, this is obviously ill-timed and ill-conceived. They have no idea how this will play out on the national stage.

Lurch the Fucking Stiff™ (LOL) did this in extremis to "shock paddle" his campaign back to life.

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
34. Anybody wondering if Pawlenty and Portman said "no"?
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:47 AM
Aug 2012
Maybe that "Romney's sons passed along the bad news" is a vengeful lie.
 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
36. Interesting that neither one was anywhere to be seen.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:00 AM
Aug 2012

Will Pawlenty keep being the obedient surrogate? We'll see...

bigtree

(86,005 posts)
35. exactly, SG
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 10:58 AM
Aug 2012

This has been a clumsy, ill-conceived, amateurish roll-out. It resembles the rest of the Romney campaign's mediocrity and shallowness. You hit the nail on the head . . . this is as an inept and clueless presentation as is reflected by the candidate, himself. It's stunning in it's incompetence.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
38. How true, bigtree. This little exercise was a perfect
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:11 AM
Aug 2012

reflection of what we've come to expect from the Rmoney team--crass incompetence and flagrant insincerity.

The fake smiles and false bonhomie were cringe-making.

If you didn't know better, you could have mistaken it for a student council election rally at the local high school. Just not ready for prime time!

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
41. Ryan as a choice is to satisfy the base.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:31 PM
Aug 2012

He has no broadening appeal. This is an implicit concession that they will probably lose, but want to energize the base to go vote down ticket.

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