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madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 06:49 AM Sep 2018

Kavanaugh's treatment of Fred Guttenberg

Joe Scarborough ripping Kavanaugh a new one over Kavanaugh refusing to shake Fred Guttenberg's hand, father of murdered Parkland student Jaime Guttenberg.

In addition to refusing to shake his hand, they are also showing the cruel glare Kavanaugh gave Fred Guttenberg. The White House put out the excuse that security intervened, but Joe made it clear that Guttenberg and Kavanaugh had been earlier introduced by Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

Mika just didn't want to believe that anyone would act like such an asshole, but seemed to get it at the end.

In addition to everything we already know about Kavanaugh, we know now that he is also a creep.

What is so wrong with the world that someone would act that way toward another person, especially one who suffered such a terrible loss?

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Kavanaugh's treatment of Fred Guttenberg (Original Post) madaboutharry Sep 2018 OP
He will apologize this morning Watchfoxheadexplodes Sep 2018 #1
If he had given the dude a hug not only would the Republicans have seated him on the court, Volaris Sep 2018 #11
Apology Unaccepted..... global1 Sep 2018 #13
this and the questions he had for Clinton concerning Lewinsky show what a perverted JI7 Sep 2018 #2
That was rather disturbing...??? kentuck Sep 2018 #3
watch the video ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #6
I saw a small clip on Morning Joe... kentuck Sep 2018 #9
yeah, it was like he had burned his hand on a hot stove ProfessorPlum Sep 2018 #14
Somebody said that was not in fact Rosenstein. I dunno. pangaia Sep 2018 #16
Typical republican Achilleaze Sep 2018 #4
Scar also hammered home the fact that 20 minutes after the incident... PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #5
Yes, but.... justie18 Sep 2018 #18
security was then sent over to harass Fred Guttenberg maxrandb Sep 2018 #7
More suggestion of BAD character in this specific person Hortensis Sep 2018 #8
Jaime Guttenberg's murderer RandiFan1290 Sep 2018 #10
Simple explanation watoos Sep 2018 #12
You are very correct. It's that simple. PearliePoo2 Sep 2018 #25
"I don't need this guy's vote": Plainly written on Kavanaugh's face. nt oasis Sep 2018 #15
The Supreme Scam duforsure Sep 2018 #17
I will say it again. He is a dick of the highest order. nt leftyladyfrommo Sep 2018 #19
so much for the thought all will be treated fairly.... dembotoz Sep 2018 #20
Dead children mean nothing to these asses,he's just like the rest of the NRA teet sucking bunch.... Bengus81 Sep 2018 #21
Kavanaugh Has Shown His Fascist Leanings dlk Sep 2018 #22
Well in all fairness it wasn't his girls who were shot dead in cold blood MagickMuffin Sep 2018 #23
Sickening As It Is SDJay Sep 2018 #24
Help - please - we all know kavanaugh is a dick..but why, Guttenberg, if introduced by asiliveandbreathe Sep 2018 #26
I had the same question. ooky Sep 2018 #27
Oh dear - To add to the question, how the hell would Joe know... asiliveandbreathe Sep 2018 #28
I can only go by what I saw when this was played on Lawrence last night. ooky Sep 2018 #29
Exactly...does not make sense what scar said......don't watch scar either... asiliveandbreathe Sep 2018 #31
Do spectators at confirmation hearings normally lildDemz Sep 2018 #30
What Guttenberg said to Kavenaugh people Sep 2018 #32
Simple reason is he is a coward. Sadly the word doesn't mean much nowadays, but rwsanders Sep 2018 #33

Volaris

(10,272 posts)
11. If he had given the dude a hug not only would the Republicans have seated him on the court,
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:39 AM
Sep 2018

They'd be recommending him for sainthood for being such a good person decent human being etc etc.

To me this just demonstrates what a complete idiot the guy is...In addition to being an outright, self-important ass.

global1

(25,253 posts)
13. Apology Unaccepted.....
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 08:01 AM
Sep 2018

Kavanaugh made a grave mistake yesterday by turning his back. It exposed a great big character flaw in him - one that is not becoming of a SCOTUS judge or any judge for that matter.

Joe Scar is right to hammer Kavanaugh on this. This one incident could be the way Kavanaugh is stopped and not confirmed. This incident should be so enraging to the American People that their phone calls to the Senate will cause the Repugs to pull this guys nomination.

In my opinion - Kavanaugh shot himself in the foot and if this incident is indicative of the type of judge this guy will be - he is toast.

The MSM needs to play and re-play the tape of that incident and the American People need to light up the phones of the Repug Senators and call for him being pulled from nomination.

JI7

(89,254 posts)
2. this and the questions he had for Clinton concerning Lewinsky show what a perverted
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:02 AM
Sep 2018

sleazy piece of shit he is.

he is worse than Scalia.

Kavanaugh comes off creepy also.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
3. That was rather disturbing...???
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:06 AM
Sep 2018

What should we take from a "non-handshake" by Kavanaugh? Was he surprised by the guy? Did he feel threatened in any way?

What should we take from this?

It reminds me a bit of the Robert Bork hearings.

kentuck

(111,106 posts)
9. I saw a small clip on Morning Joe...
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:33 AM
Sep 2018

The most shocking part to me was how defensive he was? Also, after he turned around, after not shaking Mr Guttenberg's hand, he ran into Rod Rosenstein on his immediate left. If we could read lips, it appeared that Mr Rosenstein smiled and said "Good job" to him?

ProfessorPlum

(11,257 posts)
14. yeah, it was like he had burned his hand on a hot stove
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 08:05 AM
Sep 2018

I imagine Rosenstein might have been wanting to tell him that he did a "good job" in his hearing - not necessarily for snubbing a shooting victim's father?

PearliePoo2

(7,768 posts)
5. Scar also hammered home the fact that 20 minutes after the incident...
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:21 AM
Sep 2018

security was then sent over to harass Fred Guttenberg.

They're suggesting the two men should have breakfast this morning and Kavanaugh should apologize.

They're using words like "black soul" and "black heart".

Scar is kicking Kavanaugh's ass.

justie18

(169 posts)
18. Yes, but....
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 08:23 AM
Sep 2018

Mika and Willie Geist seemed to be defending Kavanaugh..........although Joe mentioned that Sen. Diane Feinstein had introduced Guttenberg.

maxrandb

(15,336 posts)
7. security was then sent over to harass Fred Guttenberg
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:28 AM
Sep 2018

Welcome to Putin's 'Murika

If you listened to 10 seconds of any of the 1,200 hate radio stations broadcasting in every nook and cranny of our country, you would not be surprised by this

It's who they are. It's who they want America to be. Cruel, soulless, violent, authoritarian, evil, braggadocios, bullying, unrelenting assholishness.

Listen to just 10 seconds, and you will learn that they have NO INTENTION of "working" with the other side. They want us gone from the face of the earth.

If they can use the power of the Justice system to do so, they won't hesitate for a second!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. More suggestion of BAD character in this specific person
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:29 AM
Sep 2018

who will be given a lifetime appointment to SCOTUS if some scandal doesn't explode around him before then.

Btw, I wouldn't wonder "what's wrong with the world" or claim this is typical Republican behavior. It's not. Those who still identify Republican typically have good, smiling public manners and wait to spread swiftboat-level lies among themselves.

THIS is Kavanaugh seemingly slipping in public when he's tired.

I'd really like to know what kept him off the first two lists the Heritage Foundation prepared for Trump. His slimy background is the obvious answer. But could he possibly be too intractably rigid or unreliable for the Koch types?

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
12. Simple explanation
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 07:58 AM
Sep 2018

The NRA has spent millions of dollars pushing for Kavanaugh. No other explanation needed.

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
17. The Supreme Scam
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 08:21 AM
Sep 2018

With Kavanaugh showing he's really a liar and compromised also. That's why they picked him ,and why they're hiding a lot of things on him now. He'll be exposed hopefully before getting installed. Even that may be short lived . He's not what he claims to be.

Bengus81

(6,931 posts)
21. Dead children mean nothing to these asses,he's just like the rest of the NRA teet sucking bunch....
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:11 AM
Sep 2018

To shake his hand on camera---GASP!!! But yeah he can issue some lame ass,half ass apology today about being tired and frazzled blah,blah,blah and that will be that.

dlk

(11,572 posts)
22. Kavanaugh Has Shown His Fascist Leanings
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:12 AM
Sep 2018

As the saying goes, when people show you who they are, believe them the first time. We are seeing a small sliver of Kavanaugh's deep awfulness. Wait until he's on the Supreme Court. He won't fail to horrify.

MagickMuffin

(15,944 posts)
23. Well in all fairness it wasn't his girls who were shot dead in cold blood
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:20 AM
Sep 2018

So, he doesn't have a reason to show compassion.

As long as it doesn't concern him or his immediate family "He just doesn't care" It's who they are.

SDJay

(1,089 posts)
24. Sickening As It Is
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 09:23 AM
Sep 2018

This asshole could've left the hearing room, gone to that young girl's grave and spit on it and he would've been praised to the heavens by the MAGATs.

That's how sick this country has become while being run by the worst among us all, and having those scum worshiped by millions of those same deplorables. HRC was absolutely spot-freaking-on when she used that term. That's what they are and they are in control.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
26. Help - please - we all know kavanaugh is a dick..but why, Guttenberg, if introduced by
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:37 AM
Sep 2018

Feinstein earlier, would he (he Guttenberg) attempt to shake his hand - was Guttenberg introduced by name only? - I'm confused...this is all madness -

Joe made it clear that Guttenberg and Kavanaugh had been earlier introduced by Sen. Dianne Feinstein.

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
28. Oh dear - To add to the question, how the hell would Joe know...
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 10:58 AM
Sep 2018

I surely am not someone to muddy the waters...but, and then, the SS questioned Guttenberg...WTH - surely they knew who he was....

I heart Guttenberg.....

ooky

(8,924 posts)
29. I can only go by what I saw when this was played on Lawrence last night.
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:31 PM
Sep 2018

So it is completely clear that Kavanaugh refused Mr. Guttenberg's hand, and then turned away. So what Joe Scar reportedly said (I didn't watch Joe Scar) does not make sense to me.


lildDemz

(64 posts)
30. Do spectators at confirmation hearings normally
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:36 PM
Sep 2018

approach the candidate as he ends his questioning? Also, if they had already been introduced, why did Guttenberg want to shake his hand? Obviously not to congratulate him, by Kavanaugh's reaction.

people

(627 posts)
32. What Guttenberg said to Kavenaugh
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 12:47 PM
Sep 2018

I read about there being an earlier introduction by Feinstein but I'm not sure if it was of Guttenberg to Kavenaugh personally. But what I heard that Guttenberg said to Kavenaugh as he put his hand out is that his daughter was Jaime Guttenberg who was one of the students killed in Parkland, Florida. If that's what he said to Kavenaugh, Kavenaugh obviously knew who Mr. Gutenberg was when he turned away. Kavenaugh is a heartless very creepy cold person.

rwsanders

(2,606 posts)
33. Simple reason is he is a coward. Sadly the word doesn't mean much nowadays, but
Wed Sep 5, 2018, 11:40 PM
Sep 2018

the Republican party is a sad collection of pitiful excuses for human beings who are scared of their own shadows.

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