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Demovictory9

(32,475 posts)
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 05:33 PM Sep 2018

Mother of 26-year-old shot dead in his OWN home by white cop who 'mistook his apartment for HERS' wo

Mother of 26-year-old shot dead in his OWN home by white cop who 'mistook his apartment for HERS' wonders if race played a factor as police investigate if the two 'had a personal relationship


Botham Jean, 26, was killed in his own apartment by a policewoman on Thursday

The officer, a white woman, says she thought he was in her apartment
Jean's mother has questioned if her son was shot because he was black Alison Jean says the officer's explanation of events makes no sense to her

She faces manslaughter charges and has been placed on administrative leave A blood sample was drawn to determine her drug and alcohol levels

The woman has not yet been named or pictured by authorities 


www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6146601/Brad-Pitts-charity-sued-New-Orleans-residents-say-Make-Right-sold-defective-homes.html

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Mother of 26-year-old shot dead in his OWN home by white cop who 'mistook his apartment for HERS' wo (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2018 OP
No name no picture of the shooter. If he had killed her we would know what he did as a toddler lunasun Sep 2018 #1
Yep. Scurrilous Sep 2018 #4
They will test his body for drugs to put blame on him Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #5
Unfortunately for them, that guy was a saint. joshcryer Sep 2018 #16
She will use the "big black male" defense Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #18
He also worked for a global Accounting firm, Pricr Waterhouse, Cooper malaise Sep 2018 #26
I'm betting there's a lot more to this than has come out. Don't know if... brush Sep 2018 #30
Something is very wrong with this story malaise Sep 2018 #36
Price Waterhouse Coopers is hard to get into.I worked there a few years, alongside Senator Tillis HipChick Sep 2018 #35
++ good point . Would guess there is still a chance to ruin his reputation lunasun Sep 2018 #22
Here is the shooter: tblue37 Sep 2018 #25
She was involved in another police shooting last year: tblue37 Sep 2018 #27
In that video she appears only concerned about herself. joshcryer Sep 2018 #28
Is this your link? moriah Sep 2018 #2
Haha, whether she surprised him answering his own door. joshcryer Sep 2018 #17
More. Rumor is she shot him from outside in. Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #3
Dallas police are saying she was inside the apartment mythology Sep 2018 #9
Hmmmmm Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #10
I don't think she got far inside. joshcryer Sep 2018 #14
They are working on their story Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #19
Wouldn't you check the door number if your key didn't work? Ms. Toad Sep 2018 #29
Here's how I think it went down after having this happen to me: joshcryer Sep 2018 #32
actually that clip says he was inside,not her questionseverything Sep 2018 #23
Female cop, male victim unblock Sep 2018 #6
suspicious from the start JI7 Sep 2018 #7
Link pasted is for a different story. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Sep 2018 #8
Sorry. First reply has correct link Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #12
Well, there seems to be lot missing to the story. marble falls Sep 2018 #11
Why hasn't his murderer been charged yet? joshcryer Sep 2018 #13
Cop in Calif a few years ago..fired gun while off duty Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #15
I'm reminded of that guy who mistook his gun for his tazer. joshcryer Sep 2018 #20
Bart cop..yes, was made into movie Demovictory9 Sep 2018 #21
I can't wait to see her alcohol levels. Hope they let us know..n/t monmouth4 Sep 2018 #24
Yes, something really wrong with the details. Blue_true Sep 2018 #31
Police name and charge white cop who shot dead her black neighbor Scurrilous Sep 2018 #33
These are the only two instances, about Amber's status, I see in your link.. Cha Sep 2018 #37
'mother' shot in 'his' home ? KelleyKramer Sep 2018 #34
It says "Mother of 26-year old..." BumRushDaShow Sep 2018 #38

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
1. No name no picture of the shooter. If he had killed her we would know what he did as a toddler
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 05:40 PM
Sep 2018

and everything else, if there was anything they could slant as negative , along with his picture and name and whether drugs or alcohol were involved
Although the police chief said Friday that an arrest warrant for manslaughter was being issued against the officer, the Associated Press reported Saturday that one was not issued because the Texas Rangers wanted to wait while it’s investigated. It’s not clear whether one will be issued, AP reported.
Hmmm

Demovictory9

(32,475 posts)
5. They will test his body for drugs to put blame on him
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 05:42 PM
Sep 2018

They tested the trader Joe's cashiers body for drugs..the one who got killed by laps a few weeks ago when they were shooting at peep. She was hostage

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
16. Unfortunately for them, that guy was a saint.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 06:02 PM
Sep 2018

He wasn't like less fortunate African American males that police easily prey on who are screwed over by their circumstances. He was a community member, well respected and liked, went to church, was a singer at college. Very soft spoken, never got in to fights. I'd be surprised if the guy had a speeding ticket.

malaise

(269,172 posts)
26. He also worked for a global Accounting firm, Pricr Waterhouse, Cooper
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 07:49 PM
Sep 2018

He comes from a well connected family in St Lucia, where his mother had been a Permanent Secretary which is the top administrative position in a government ministry/cabinet aka department.

She will not get away with this one.

brush

(53,871 posts)
30. I'm betting there's a lot more to this than has come out. Don't know if...
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 08:23 PM
Sep 2018

if will all come out but I suspect there was a "not interested, or another woman" aspect to this which enraged...well I'm not going speculate anymore except to say he live on the second floor while she live on the first and how does one mistake that?

HipChick

(25,485 posts)
35. Price Waterhouse Coopers is hard to get into.I worked there a few years, alongside Senator Tillis
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 11:27 PM
Sep 2018

Before he started his Senate career....and turned into a Rethug

This young man was very accomplished, I am glad his family now have legal representation as well..

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
22. ++ good point . Would guess there is still a chance to ruin his reputation
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 06:09 PM
Sep 2018
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Cops will try -not surprised if they planted something in his house or on him to make him look bad

On LinkedIn, Botham Jean described himself as an “aspiring young professional” who was “engaged in developing a career built upon integrity, dedication and relationships, leveraging useful technologies to gain an understanding of and add value in a range of industries, striving towards leadership in my career, my community and society.”

He was working in Dallas as a risk assurance associate for PricewaterhouseCoopers, according to his LinkedIn page. In college, he was president of a Young Leaders group.

“Botham Jean was exactly the sort of citizen we want to have in the City of Dallas,” the mayor told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. “A professional … a believer in his church, a neighbor to his friends. A man that always had a smile on his face. And for that reason, this is a terrible, terrible thing that has happened. Not only has he lost his life, but we’ve lost a potential leader for this city.”

tblue37

(65,488 posts)
27. She was involved in another police shooting last year:
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 07:50 PM
Sep 2018

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joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
28. In that video she appears only concerned about herself.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 08:12 PM
Sep 2018

She's pacing back and forth like a criminal caught in the act.

If she cared about her victim she would've followed the stretcher to the ambulance.

But nope, she was told not to talk. Because cops know that if they talk if they're honest they will be screwed. Their main objective is lying and obfuscating.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
2. Is this your link?
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 05:41 PM
Sep 2018
Dallas Senator Royce West told reporters on Saturday he still did not know if the events of Thursday night were race related.

'We need to find out whether there was a personal relationship, whether she surprised him at the door,' he said.

'There are many facts that need to be looked at before determining what type of homicide it is.'

The Senator was passionate in explaining he wanted to see charges laid, and to ensure the officer was not given any special treatment because of her job.


(Edit to add: last part included in snip, with the fact this is a politician saying this, should necessitate the emoticon except it's not a laughing matter)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6146459/Mom-black-accountant-shot-dead-home-white-police-officer-wants-know-race-motivated.html

Another:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Heartbroken-Mother-Wants-Justice-for-Son-Killed-by-Dallas-Police-Officer-492714091.html

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
17. Haha, whether she surprised him answering his own door.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 06:04 PM
Sep 2018

What pretzel logic here. Of course he surprised her, she thought it was her apartment, and she murdered him. That's not relevant to the case at all.

Demovictory9

(32,475 posts)
3. More. Rumor is she shot him from outside in.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 05:41 PM
Sep 2018

Took elevator to wrong floor. Her key didn't work. When he opened the door at sound of key...bang bang

She was in hallway shooting in

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
9. Dallas police are saying she was inside the apartment
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 05:49 PM
Sep 2018
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/07/us/dallas-police-shooting/index.html

"A female Dallas police officer returned to what she believed to be her apartment after her shift ended -- she was still in uniform when she encountered Mr. Jean inside the apartment," Hall said.

The chief said it isn't clear what "the interaction was between her and the victim. Then at some point she fired her weapon striking the victim."


I'm not sure how she could have been that mistaken that she broke into somebody else's apartment. Maybe he didn't lock the door, but I would expect that she would have tried her key which wouldn't have worked. I suspect there is something more that isn't known yet. A personal relationship, she was on some sort of drugs, something.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
14. I don't think she got far inside.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 06:00 PM
Sep 2018

From what I understand the key didn't work in the lock and she ordered him to "open the door!" He confusingly complied with the officers command and when he did so she saw a "scary black man" and murdered him in his own home. It wasn't until she looked at the interior of the house that she realized that it wasn't her house.

Any other case we'd have the 911 call released, etc. But of course they cover for the cops and they're not releasing it.

Ms. Toad

(34,092 posts)
29. Wouldn't you check the door number if your key didn't work?
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 08:14 PM
Sep 2018

Why would she even know somoene was inside the apartment she beleived was hers?

This story makes no sense.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
32. Here's how I think it went down after having this happen to me:
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 08:55 PM
Sep 2018

I once had a very drunk girl come to my door before. She put the key in. Jiggled the doorknob. I went to the door, opened it (chain on) and she started pushing her way in. I closed the door on her and locked it telling her to go away.

Here's what I think happened to her:

She goes, tries to open the door, it's not working, he answers the door, but she yells out commands, and he closes it unsure as to what's going on or presses back against it. She yells "open up!" and he opens it, at this point her insane cop brain kicks in and she assumes the absolute worst and just kills the "black intruder."

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
13. Why hasn't his murderer been charged yet?
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 05:58 PM
Sep 2018

This is unprecedented. Any other murderer would have been charged by now. This is a complete joke. You can't just "accidentally kill someone" without repercussions. Then again, they let off Ethan Couch.

Demovictory9

(32,475 posts)
15. Cop in Calif a few years ago..fired gun while off duty
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 06:01 PM
Sep 2018

Killed innocent bystander. Got off. I totally don't understand that one.

joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
20. I'm reminded of that guy who mistook his gun for his tazer.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 06:08 PM
Sep 2018

Shot a guy in cold blood.

Didn't even get jail time.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
31. Yes, something really wrong with the details.
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 08:41 PM
Sep 2018

How many people mistake the first floor for the second. Did she take an elevator up, why if she didn't have to. She was crocked out of her mind, or she went after him for some reason.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
33. Police name and charge white cop who shot dead her black neighbor
Sat Sep 8, 2018, 10:51 PM
Sep 2018
Police name and charge white cop who shot dead her black neighbor after she 'mistakenly walked into his apartment thinking it was her own' as video shows officer crying on phone as paramedics try to revive victim

<snip>

"New video has emerged of the immediate aftermath of a deadly shooting on Thursday which saw a black accountant gunned down by a white police woman after she mistakenly entered his home thinking it was hers.

The footage shows a female cop crying into her phone on a walkway of the Dallas apartment block seconds before 26-year-old Botham Jean is pulled past on a trolley as medics desperately try to revive him.

The officer was named on Saturday as Amber Guyger, who had worked for Dallas Police Department for four years on the Southeast Patrol Division. She has been charged with manslaughter."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6147459/Police-white-cop-shot-dead-black-neighbor.html

Cha

(297,686 posts)
37. These are the only two instances, about Amber's status, I see in your link..
Sun Sep 9, 2018, 05:35 AM
Sep 2018
The shooter was named on Saturday as Amber Guyger, who had worked for Dallas Police Department for four years on the Southeast Patrol Division. She is expected to be charged with manslaughter, although no charges have yet been filed.

She also said the Texas Rangers will conduct an independent investigation. A warrant for Guyger's arrest has not been issued because the Rangers wanted to examine new information first.

I don't see the quote in your OP.. " Police name and charge white cop who shot dead her black neighbor.." that she's been "charged".

I wonder if she understands now what "Black Lives Matter" mean?

Mahalo, Scurrilous

BumRushDaShow

(129,491 posts)
38. It says "Mother of 26-year old..."
Sun Sep 9, 2018, 06:21 AM
Sep 2018

and goes on to indicate what his mother "said" regarding race being a possible factor.

(unless the OP had initially missed the word "of" in the quote and corrected it)

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