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sadbear

(4,340 posts)
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 01:07 PM Aug 2012

“Two novels can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life:..."

"The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other involves orcs." -- attributed to Kung Fu Monkey.

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“Two novels can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life:..." (Original Post) sadbear Aug 2012 OP
Paul Ryan Yeah Its Spin Aug 2012 #1
Too late. sadbear Aug 2012 #2
The Catholic church forced that lie out of him. ErikJ Aug 2012 #5
I remember reading Atlas Shrugged as a college freshman 45 years ago. I found it hard to believe libinnyandia Aug 2012 #3
And it's also really stupid, and badly written. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #8
God, is it ever. It's also chock full of lunatic "reasoning". Marr Aug 2012 #20
Atlas shrugged is pre-social. sibelian Aug 2012 #4
I read both as an adult riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #6
I read Atlas Shrugged as a sophomore in high school, xmas74 Aug 2012 #9
I read the Fountainhead wickerwoman Aug 2012 #10
It was awful. xmas74 Aug 2012 #12
Good one. Flatpicker Aug 2012 #7
OMG!!! When I was 14, I spent the summer indoors reading LOTR! Avalux Aug 2012 #11
"...she called the doc..." woo me with science Aug 2012 #13
OK, what am I missing??? Avalux Aug 2012 #14
No, I thought it was wonderful! woo me with science Aug 2012 #15
Haha! Thanks! Avalux Aug 2012 #16
too bad he didn't read CATCHER IN THE RYE instead TeamPooka Aug 2012 #17
K&R (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #18
the bible and fifty shades of grey. loli phabay Aug 2012 #19
What's funny is the conservatives really believed the movie "Atlas Shruged" was... Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #21
AS was the first book this avid reader couldn't finish. was politically naive at the time, but whole KG Aug 2012 #22

libinnyandia

(1,374 posts)
3. I remember reading Atlas Shrugged as a college freshman 45 years ago. I found it hard to believe
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 02:18 PM
Aug 2012

anyone with a heart could be so uncaring about other people. I was already a bleeding heart liberal.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
20. God, is it ever. It's also chock full of lunatic "reasoning".
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:52 PM
Aug 2012

My favorite bit comes very early, where Rand attempts to prove that altruism is evil. Her argument goes like this (give or take about 5,000 words of padding):

Altruism is obviously evil. Therefore, altruism is evil.

She then does another logical pirouette, and claims that it naturally follows that greed and self-interest are good. And that's all in the first chapter or preface, IIRC.

There's a reason her "philosophy" had to be packaged in fiction. It would've been torn to pieces if she'd tries to publish that incoherent nonsense as philosophy.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
4. Atlas shrugged is pre-social.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 02:26 PM
Aug 2012

It's indistibguishable from the rantings of a teenager screaming "it's not fair!" when what they really mean is "I'm not getting what I want!"

riverbendviewgal

(4,253 posts)
6. I read both as an adult
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:27 PM
Aug 2012

I am a progressive liberal.

The first one was Atlas Shrugged and I read her other novels too.. I could not get past the selfishness. It didn't seem right.

The Lord of the Rings I found inspiring and entertaining....My kids loved it too.

xmas74

(29,676 posts)
9. I read Atlas Shrugged as a sophomore in high school,
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:39 PM
Aug 2012

The Fountainhead as a junior. There used to be a big essay contest on the works of Ayn Rand and big scholarships were available for winning essays.

So boring. I was then (and am still now) an avid reader and I found myself not giving a gosh darn about who was John Galt. I couldn't muster the tiniest bit of interest in writing the essay. I chose instead to write an essay about corn husking for a different scholarship. The history of corn husking held my interest more than objectivism.

wickerwoman

(5,662 posts)
10. I read the Fountainhead
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:00 PM
Aug 2012

between my Freshmen and Junior years. Yes. It took three years to get through it. I kept getting bored and going on to something else and then when I came back to it, felt like I had to begin from the beginning again.

Someone recommended it to me because I wanted to be an architect and all I got out of it was "If these are the kind of people I'm going to have to work with, forget it!"

xmas74

(29,676 posts)
12. It was awful.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:05 PM
Aug 2012

I had writer's block after reading it. It was mindnumbingly boring.

When corn husking offers more interest than The Fountainhead, you know there's something wrong.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
7. Good one.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 03:30 PM
Aug 2012

I've had this swimming in my head all morning...

I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
11. OMG!!! When I was 14, I spent the summer indoors reading LOTR!
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:04 PM
Aug 2012

I had to get them at the library, and when I finished the first and went back for the second it was checked out...I nearly went insane for the 5 days I had to wait to rent it. And my mom was really worried about me, she called the doc and asked him if my behavior was normal since I didn't want to go out and play with friends, just sit and read.

Very funny!!

woo me with science

(32,139 posts)
15. No, I thought it was wonderful!
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:12 PM
Aug 2012

It was a great story, and the fact that she actually called the doc was the detail that made it especially funny.

I wasn't trying to be snarky at all. You captured the adolescent fervor perfectly!

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
16. Haha! Thanks!
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:15 PM
Aug 2012

It's weird; after I posted that I sat here and thought about it...almost as if it just happened the other day. I drove my mom nuts, she isn't a reader so didn't understand!

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
21. What's funny is the conservatives really believed the movie "Atlas Shruged" was...
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 04:54 PM
Aug 2012

...going to be such a blockbuster hit that they split it into three parts like people would be hanging on the edge of their seats breathlessly waiting for the next part like they did with the "Lord of the Rings" trilogy.

To add an extra dose of hilarity, they released it on April 15th, "tax day".

Part one cost 10 million to make and made 1.7 million on it's opening weekend and fell off from there running only 35 days. To the maker's surprise, it actually costs money to play a movie in a theater and they would lose what little they made back if they extended it's run. Despite this, they say they plan to do part II anyway.

BTW: The cliffhanger is a rich guy saying he quits.



KG

(28,752 posts)
22. AS was the first book this avid reader couldn't finish. was politically naive at the time, but whole
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 05:00 PM
Aug 2012

thing just rung false with me...

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