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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSpot the difference: One is "arguing a strike. One is "having a meltdown."
ismnotwasm
(42,005 posts)sheshe2
(83,879 posts)SMH
Revanchist
(1,375 posts)Tursiops
(89 posts)][link:
|She's a great player, but she has a history of being a bit of a bully.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Tursiops
(89 posts)And did the baseball player continue to break the rules after he was charged?
As bad as John Macenroe was , he never assaulted an official. And the rules were introduced because of his tantrums. Male tennis players have had their entire matches defaulted as recently as last year for being assholes.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)behaving in the same way to refs, and captioning one as "arguing" and one as "the mother of all meltdowns."
The OP has to do with the media outlet, not the refs or the sports team.
Is that clearer?
And Serena Williams did not assault an official. She yelled, like McEnroe.
Interesting that you think she "assaulted" the official...
LisaM
(27,830 posts)It seems like, if Serena can't win, nobody can win.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)Eject all adults having temper tantrums.
Solly Mack
(90,780 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)A manager in MLB can raise hell, and get ejected, and not really cost his team anything. It's actually expected, if there is a halfway decent reason to think the umps have been killing his team.
Tennis players aren't on a team. Any penalty given to them, hits them, and them alone.
I think when it comes to these sorts of things, female athletes ARE treated unfairly when compared to how male athletes in the same sport are treated. But, I don't think it's because females are hammered harder than the rules dictate. I think females are pretty much treated how the rules say they should be treated....it's males that get a free pass in a lot of cases where they should be hit with the rulebook.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)And captions for photos of people doing the same thing?
Because this post is about the different captions for photos of two atheletes pointing fingers at a ref, not the difference between team sports and individual sports.
Quixote1818
(28,967 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)It just has one photo of an athlete. That one photo of an athlete is of Serena Williams.
The other photo is of a manager...a manager that was ejected from the game for arguing a call the ump made.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)But I'll play your game.
These are two photos of two sports figures interacting the same way with refs, and one is captioned "arguing" and one is captioned "the mother of all meltdowns."
What happened afterwards is not addressed in the photo captions, which are the subject of the OP.
Is that clearer?
LisaM
(27,830 posts)Perhaps he shouldn't have put her in that position - whole different argument - but it does count as a warning on her. It doesn't matter if she saw it or not. He was warned, so basically she was warned.
mythology
(9,527 posts)I can't imagine making that much of a scene. It's a game. Act like you are an adult.
Also as noted, there are different expectations for behavior and rules in the different sports.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)what is acceptable in a white male athete is unacceptable in a black female athlete.
That is the difference.
LisaM
(27,830 posts)And Boone was actually ejected, Williams was not.
It makes a good visual, but it's not an apt comparison. And I've seen managers accused of having meltdowns (I've seen, on TV at least, managers having meltdowns) and having them described more or less as that (Billy Martin and Lew Piniella both come to mind).
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The man arguing with the ref was actually ejected by the ref, but he is "arguing the play" and the woman who is arguing with the ref, which did not get her ejected is "having the mother of all meltdowns."
Quixote1818
(28,967 posts)doing the exact same thing. She actually has a right to be extremely upset about this. Being upset by a missed call by an umpire in baseball in a sport where men are treated equally is just being upset over a missed call. I would argue she has a much, much, much stronger case to be angry, even be irate. If you were treated differently than someone else would you not feel moral outrage?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/ejsp.434
Tursiops
(89 posts)Men have been expelled from entire matches.
elmac
(4,642 posts)Its part of the game, one bad call can cost a player the match and 100's of thousands of dollars, if they don't stand up for themselves, nobody will.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"there are different expectations for behavior and rules in the different sports..."
Now, if someone provides us with objective evidence to support the allegation, the allegation may even go so far as to be considered an unproven hypothesis.
But all we have is the bumper sticker "different expectations" to better rationalize holding Ms. Williams to a higher standard.
mountain grammy
(26,647 posts)may not be the perfect comparison, but what was done to Serena was just plain wrong.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Red herring logical fallacy:
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)versions of past bread and circuses...no offence.
Quixote1818
(28,967 posts)But thanks for participating.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)I am not arguing the conclusion of the OP, one way or the other...the underlying premise is hollow.
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Which poster here accused you of a logical fallacy?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,413 posts)This is about the reporting; not the players.
PJMcK
(22,048 posts)I read it, too. Yet there's an obvious slant to most of the reporting in that paper.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)https://www.thesportster.com/news/aaron-boone-yankees-manager-suspended/
In the fifth inning of Friday nights game against the Tigers, Boone took umbrage with Lentzs inconsistent strike zone. After repeated chirping from the dugout, Boone got ejected. That resulted in him taking the field, where he proceeded to have a meltdown that conjured up memories of Billy Martin.
https://www.pinstripealley.com/2018/8/31/17807752/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-ejected-umpire-this-is-awesome
Serena Williams was penalized a game for calling the chair umpire a thief during an extended argument as the U.S. Open womens final descended into chaos, with fans booing and play delayed before Naomi Osaka wrapped up a 6-2, 6-4 victory for her first Grand Slam title.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8474166/serena-williams-argues-with-umpire-at-us-open-youre-a-thief
https://mic.com/articles/191181/billie-jean-king-calls-out-double-standard-in-serena-williams-us-open-loss#.fMIeaaf4b
ProfessorGAC
(65,160 posts). . .(not counting endorsements, just pay for the job itself), Boone's penalty is substantially more severe. It's 0.6% of his salary.
17k is a LOT less than 0.6% of what Serena made this year.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Tursiops
(89 posts)Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)jalan48
(13,882 posts)DemoTex
(25,400 posts)Game, set, match ..
True Dough
(17,315 posts)I'm totally engrossed in these Serena threads. So many good points made on both sides. It reminds me of something...
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)efhmc
(14,731 posts)see the difference.
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Ive seen players muttering something under their breath while walking back to the dugout get tossed by umpires.