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Spot the difference: One is "arguing a strike. One is "having a meltdown." (Original Post) ehrnst Sep 2018 OP
Exactly ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #1
It was the 'mother' of all meltdowns. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #2
Sure it was Revanchist Sep 2018 #6
yep. sheshe2 Sep 2018 #15
Threatening to kill a female linesperson half her size Tursiops Sep 2018 #21
What does this have to do with the OP? ehrnst Sep 2018 #23
What does all male baseball have to do with alleged "sexism"? Tursiops Sep 2018 #27
The OP is about the same media outlet captioning two photos of sports figures ehrnst Sep 2018 #42
Yeah, sigh, I remember that one, too. LisaM Sep 2018 #26
Yep. She is a loud mouthed jerk. So was McEnroe. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2018 #40
Yep. Exactly. Solly Mack Sep 2018 #3
Naah. It's two different sports, with two different expectations. Captain Stern Sep 2018 #4
How about the news media? ehrnst Sep 2018 #5
This. Lisa0825 Sep 2018 #8
Bingo nt Quixote1818 Sep 2018 #9
The post doesn't have photos of two athletes. Captain Stern Sep 2018 #36
That's quite a reach.... ehrnst Sep 2018 #41
No, the warning given to her coach actually also was a warning to her. LisaM Sep 2018 #29
What if I think both of them acted like spoiled children? mythology Sep 2018 #7
You are not a media publication pushing a narrative that ehrnst Sep 2018 #10
One was a manager and one was a player, among other things. LisaM Sep 2018 #25
Which makes the captions all the more glaring. ehrnst Sep 2018 #43
Her anger was what is called "Moral outrage" because she was treated unfairly compared to a man Quixote1818 Sep 2018 #13
The facts disagree with her Tursiops Sep 2018 #30
john mcenroe was famous for this elmac Sep 2018 #19
That does seem to be the one allegation thrown at the wall that stuck. LanternWaste Sep 2018 #46
This must be fixed mountain grammy Sep 2018 #11
Arguing semantics is bread and circuses. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #12
And? ehrnst Sep 2018 #14
...we should pay attention to what President Obama says about logical fallacies and electronic Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #17
100000% wrong Quixote1818 Sep 2018 #18
Which logical fallacy is being applied this thread? I have at least three.... Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #20
Speaking of hollow premises... ehrnst Sep 2018 #22
not semantics; spin Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2018 #32
Both clips are from Murdoch's NY Post PJMcK Sep 2018 #16
Yankees Manager Aaron Boone Suspended For Mid-Game Meltdown Against Tigers oberliner Sep 2018 #24
Given The Difference In Earnings. . . ProfessorGAC Sep 2018 #44
Are there strikes in tennis? Renew Deal Sep 2018 #28
Yes. n/t Tursiops Sep 2018 #31
What are they? Renew Deal Sep 2018 #37
I agree, Serena should have been ejected as well. jalan48 Sep 2018 #33
IT. IS. A. FUCKING. GAME. DemoTex Sep 2018 #34
I have to admit True Dough Sep 2018 #35
great footwork Kurt V. Sep 2018 #38
Find the one who has no penis and the cloud will lift and you can efhmc Sep 2018 #39
You get ejected from the game for arguing balls and strikes with the umpire. Calista241 Sep 2018 #45

Tursiops

(89 posts)
21. Threatening to kill a female linesperson half her size
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:20 PM
Sep 2018

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She's a great player, but she has a history of being a bit of a bully.

Tursiops

(89 posts)
27. What does all male baseball have to do with alleged "sexism"?
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:33 PM
Sep 2018

And did the baseball player continue to break the rules after he was charged?

As bad as John Macenroe was , he never assaulted an official. And the rules were introduced because of his tantrums. Male tennis players have had their entire matches defaulted as recently as last year for being assholes.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
42. The OP is about the same media outlet captioning two photos of sports figures
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:24 AM
Sep 2018

behaving in the same way to refs, and captioning one as "arguing" and one as "the mother of all meltdowns."

The OP has to do with the media outlet, not the refs or the sports team.

Is that clearer?

And Serena Williams did not assault an official. She yelled, like McEnroe.

Interesting that you think she "assaulted" the official...

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
4. Naah. It's two different sports, with two different expectations.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 06:42 PM
Sep 2018

A manager in MLB can raise hell, and get ejected, and not really cost his team anything. It's actually expected, if there is a halfway decent reason to think the umps have been killing his team.

Tennis players aren't on a team. Any penalty given to them, hits them, and them alone.

I think when it comes to these sorts of things, female athletes ARE treated unfairly when compared to how male athletes in the same sport are treated. But, I don't think it's because females are hammered harder than the rules dictate. I think females are pretty much treated how the rules say they should be treated....it's males that get a free pass in a lot of cases where they should be hit with the rulebook.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
5. How about the news media?
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 06:45 PM
Sep 2018

And captions for photos of people doing the same thing?

Because this post is about the different captions for photos of two atheletes pointing fingers at a ref, not the difference between team sports and individual sports.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
36. The post doesn't have photos of two athletes.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 08:29 PM
Sep 2018

It just has one photo of an athlete. That one photo of an athlete is of Serena Williams.

The other photo is of a manager...a manager that was ejected from the game for arguing a call the ump made.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
41. That's quite a reach....
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:20 AM
Sep 2018

But I'll play your game.

These are two photos of two sports figures interacting the same way with refs, and one is captioned "arguing" and one is captioned "the mother of all meltdowns."

What happened afterwards is not addressed in the photo captions, which are the subject of the OP.

Is that clearer?

LisaM

(27,830 posts)
29. No, the warning given to her coach actually also was a warning to her.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:34 PM
Sep 2018

Perhaps he shouldn't have put her in that position - whole different argument - but it does count as a warning on her. It doesn't matter if she saw it or not. He was warned, so basically she was warned.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
7. What if I think both of them acted like spoiled children?
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 06:46 PM
Sep 2018

I can't imagine making that much of a scene. It's a game. Act like you are an adult.

Also as noted, there are different expectations for behavior and rules in the different sports.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
10. You are not a media publication pushing a narrative that
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:06 PM
Sep 2018

what is acceptable in a white male athete is unacceptable in a black female athlete.

That is the difference.

LisaM

(27,830 posts)
25. One was a manager and one was a player, among other things.
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:29 PM
Sep 2018

And Boone was actually ejected, Williams was not.

It makes a good visual, but it's not an apt comparison. And I've seen managers accused of having meltdowns (I've seen, on TV at least, managers having meltdowns) and having them described more or less as that (Billy Martin and Lew Piniella both come to mind).

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
43. Which makes the captions all the more glaring.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:27 AM
Sep 2018

The man arguing with the ref was actually ejected by the ref, but he is "arguing the play" and the woman who is arguing with the ref, which did not get her ejected is "having the mother of all meltdowns."

Quixote1818

(28,967 posts)
13. Her anger was what is called "Moral outrage" because she was treated unfairly compared to a man
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:11 PM
Sep 2018

doing the exact same thing. She actually has a right to be extremely upset about this. Being upset by a missed call by an umpire in baseball in a sport where men are treated equally is just being upset over a missed call. I would argue she has a much, much, much stronger case to be angry, even be irate. If you were treated differently than someone else would you not feel moral outrage?

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/ejsp.434

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
19. john mcenroe was famous for this
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:18 PM
Sep 2018

Its part of the game, one bad call can cost a player the match and 100's of thousands of dollars, if they don't stand up for themselves, nobody will.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
46. That does seem to be the one allegation thrown at the wall that stuck.
Mon Sep 17, 2018, 02:49 PM
Sep 2018

"there are different expectations for behavior and rules in the different sports..."

Now, if someone provides us with objective evidence to support the allegation, the allegation may even go so far as to be considered an unproven hypothesis.

But all we have is the bumper sticker "different expectations" to better rationalize holding Ms. Williams to a higher standard.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
17. ...we should pay attention to what President Obama says about logical fallacies and electronic
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:16 PM
Sep 2018

versions of past bread and circuses...no offence.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. Which logical fallacy is being applied this thread? I have at least three....
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:18 PM
Sep 2018
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211118223

I am not arguing the conclusion of the OP, one way or the other...the underlying premise is hollow.

PJMcK

(22,048 posts)
16. Both clips are from Murdoch's NY Post
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:15 PM
Sep 2018

I read it, too. Yet there's an obvious slant to most of the reporting in that paper.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
24. Yankees Manager Aaron Boone Suspended For Mid-Game Meltdown Against Tigers
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 07:28 PM
Sep 2018
New York Yankees manager Aaron Boone has been suspended one game for his confrontation with umpire Nic Lentz during Friday's game against the Detroit Tigers, according to Joe Trezza of MLB.com.

https://www.thesportster.com/news/aaron-boone-yankees-manager-suspended/


Aaron Boone has epic meltdown, gets ejected from Yankees - Tigers game

In the fifth inning of Friday night’s game against the Tigers, Boone took umbrage with Lentz’s inconsistent strike zone. After repeated chirping from the dugout, Boone got ejected. That resulted in him taking the field, where he proceeded to have a meltdown that conjured up memories of Billy Martin.

https://www.pinstripealley.com/2018/8/31/17807752/yankees-manager-aaron-boone-ejected-umpire-this-is-awesome


Serena Williams Argues With Umpire at U.S. Open: 'You're a Thief'

Serena Williams was penalized a game for calling the chair umpire a thief during an extended argument as the U.S. Open women’s final descended into chaos, with fans booing and play delayed before Naomi Osaka wrapped up a 6-2, 6-4 victory for her first Grand Slam title.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/8474166/serena-williams-argues-with-umpire-at-us-open-youre-a-thief



ProfessorGAC

(65,160 posts)
44. Given The Difference In Earnings. . .
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:28 AM
Sep 2018

. . .(not counting endorsements, just pay for the job itself), Boone's penalty is substantially more severe. It's 0.6% of his salary.

17k is a LOT less than 0.6% of what Serena made this year.

True Dough

(17,315 posts)
35. I have to admit
Mon Sep 10, 2018, 08:15 PM
Sep 2018

I'm totally engrossed in these Serena threads. So many good points made on both sides. It reminds me of something...


Calista241

(5,586 posts)
45. You get ejected from the game for arguing balls and strikes with the umpire.
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:13 AM
Sep 2018

I’ve seen players muttering something under their breath while walking back to the dugout get tossed by umpires.

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