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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOfficer could face stiffer charge for killing unarmed neighbor
By AnneClaire Stapleton, Darran Simon and Eliott C. McLaughlin, CNN
Updated 3:28 PM ET, Mon September 10, 2018
... "The grand jury will be that entity that will make the final decision in terms of the charge or charges that will come out of this case," Dallas County District Attorney Faith Johnson told reporters. "We prepare to present a thorough case to the grand jury of Dallas County, so that the right decision can be made in this case."
Amber Guyger, who is white, was off-duty when she shot Botham Shem Jean, a black man, in his apartment, police said Thursday. Guyger told police she thought she was entering her own apartment not realizing she was on the wrong floor. Upon encountering Jean, she thought her home was being burglarized and opened fire, according to police.
Botham, a 26-year-old native of St. Lucia, was unarmed. He died at a hospital ...
https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/10/us/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-arrest/index.html
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)... Jean family attorneys, including Benjamin Crump, and local politicians rallied against the Dallas Police Department for failing to make a timely arrest in the case. "You or I would be arrested if we went to the wrong apartment and blow a hole in a person's chest, killing them," said Crump ...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/botham-jean-shooting-dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-says-victim-ignored-commands-2018-09-10/
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Plus (I read) two witnesses heard her knocking and shouting to open the door, indicating she knew someone was inside and knew her key didn't work and that she lied when she said the door was "open".
Plus she did not notice or ignored the bright red smack-your-eye mat at his door.
Cha
(297,280 posts)Link to tweet
Link to tweet
How weird, though... "yelling to "open door!" when you think it's your apt?
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Cha
(297,280 posts)she'd been drinking.
Of course I could be wrong.. and she's like that stone cold sober.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)what kind of tests I dunno.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... defense.
If she thought it was her place why ask the door to be opened ?!
Anything following that is going to be 100% stupid
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)She obviously saw him enough to kill him.
She may have said "Stop right there", believing her uniform was enough to command respect, especially from dark skin people. The guy might have moved forward or sideways or even backwards, since it was his apartment and she had probably not identified herself.
Probably trained to not say "Stop or I'll shoot" on the training theory that give time for another person to shoot, but I'm just speculating on that bit.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Her story doesn't fit together.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)yardwork
(61,634 posts)struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)By DAVID BOROFF and KATE FELDMAN
| NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
SEP 10, 2018 | 4:25 PM
The Dallas County district attorney said Monday that her office will consider stronger charges including murder against a police officer who shot and killed her neighbor after entering his apartment.
Faith Johnson said she will present a full case to the grand jury against Amber Guyger, the Dallas cop who killed 26-year-old Botham Jean Thursday night, so the panel can weigh all aspects of the case ...
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/ny-news-amber-guyger-wrong-level-garage-20180910-story.html
Thrill
(19,178 posts)mythology
(9,527 posts)Manslaughter is the right charge with the information known.
Cha
(297,280 posts)so fishy.. especially now that she's trying to wiggle out of it with seemingly lies.
FakeNoose
(32,641 posts)This is very puzzling and it sounds like someone is lying.
Just sayin'
PSPS
(13,600 posts)I wonder if Dallas keeps an audit trail of when anyone looks up a citizen in their databases.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Why did she yell at anyone to open the door if she thought she was standing outside her own apartment?
If she used her key to get in, as she said, why did she yell anyone inside to open the door?
Nothing she said makes sense.
struggle4progress
(118,290 posts)Response to FakeNoose (Reply #3)
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exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Into overdrive to impeach the ear witnesses who heard her call to open door.
brer cat
(24,574 posts)the door was ajar.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)I would not take her word for anything.
cyndensco
(1,697 posts)Botham Jean.
yardwork
(61,634 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)yardwork
(61,634 posts)joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I hope the door lock has a 'memory' and can tell when the door was locked at what times.
riverbendviewgal
(4,253 posts)My husband and I were on vacation. After a night of dining and drinking we went to our room. We used the room key to unlock the door and walked in. Instantly we realized it was not our room. None of our stuff was in it. We got out and realized our room was one floor up. Luckily the room true occupiers were not in the ròom. Now it occurs to me that there could have been a different ending.
I cannot sympathize with the police officer firing her gun. I hope she gets true justice.
Cha
(297,280 posts)have been able to open someone else's room in the hotel!
I've been drunk back in the day and it feels like something I would have done with the wrong apt. But, I would have ended up embarrassed. Which is what should have happened instead of the tragic murder of Bo Jean
Luz
(772 posts)He gave me the key, but I went to the wrong door, and got inside. I was using the toilet when I saw shoes and suitcases that were not ours. Lucky for everyone that the room was empty. Never trust hotel room keys.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Her apartment is on the 1st floor,
and his on the 4th floor?
John1956PA
(2,654 posts)From https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/10/us/dallas-police-officer-amber-guyger-arrest/index.html :
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Shes a murderer
Old Terp
(464 posts)As a seventy one year old white woman, I'm sick of this. This is so out of bounds.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)All she needs to do is come up with an account (as she has) that doesnt have her knowingly killing an unarmed man, and shell get the benefit of the doubt: if I came home even if it turned out to be the wrong place and found a guy inside in the dark, I sure as hell would shoot first and ask questions later! will be the mantra of every single white juror, diplomatically not mentioning that that would be especially true for a white woman facing a black man.
unblock
(52,245 posts)Jurors give the police a free pass in nearly any on-duty situation, especially arrest situations.
But an off-duty cop killing someone in a situation that was undeniably 100% a mistaken creation of the cop?
I think this is one of the few cases in which the cop actually goes to prison, albeit for a crime less than murder....
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)He had a distinctive red porch mat.
Unless she has that exact same mat, her story doesnt hold water.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Was she claimed she had to go out and look at the room number on the outside to check to see if she was in her own apartment when she was calling the incident in. Seriously? Now, at first I was thinking the story was plausible, though I still supported a manslaughter charge. But now? I don't know what the hell was going on there, but her story is fishy as hell.
yardwork
(61,634 posts)If she was drunk while in uniform when she shot a man in his own apartment...
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)then she should have gotten away and immediately called for back-up.
Not gone inside and killed the intruder.
Open and shut case. I've decided. They couldn't put me on that jury!
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)People heard her loudly yell "open the door!" so there is a major discrepancy there. She obviously chose the order of events which would give her the best case, and it's because she was allowed to be free for days to get her story together.
The way they're saying she parked on a different floor of the parking garage makes it sound like she got more reasonably confused about which floor she was on, and the fact that she claims the door was ajar (which I doubt it was) makes it even more suspicious.
Cha
(297,280 posts)Amber was knocking on the door and yelling "open the door!".. so.. conflicting reports abound.
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Bo Jean
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)and on and on the genocidal rampage continues. 350 years and it goes on and on. I hope she ends up in prison for life.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Until she came up with this BS story. Now I don't know. It is obvious the Rangers are serving as defense investigators.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)but given it's the Texas Rangers, well I would expect nothing less than obfuscation and out and out lies. They do watch each other's back in cases such as this with the victim being unarmed innocent and AA. 99.9% of the time.
thbobby
(1,474 posts)there is more to this story. A personal vendetta? I am not sure what is missing, but there is an unknown angle to this.
onlyadream
(2,166 posts)I read that she was one floor below him. So maybe he was noisy walking around at night, or something. Not that that is any excuse to ever kill anyone! I had a guy live below me who went into a fit because I used a treadmill during the day while he was home.
JI7
(89,251 posts)if they can get a racist jury like with george zimmerman they will refuse to convict someone for killing a black person.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... probably request the case be moved to another court.
True Dough
(17,305 posts)A life is needlessly lost due to reckless use of a firearm by a police officer. The days of letting the cop walk away have to be behind us.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...for its alleged facts. What the fuck.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)So who will step up as an advocate for the dead man.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The way they're handling this it's like she's the poor overworked victim of her circumstances.
Wouldn't be shocked if she gets reinstated and is back on the street in a year.
Cha
(297,280 posts)wonderful family from the Caribbean Island of St Lucia.
Prosecutor suggests stronger charge against Dallas officer who killed neighbor
Dallas County District Attorney Faith Johnson also said any notion of preferential treatment for officer Amber Guyger was separate from her office.
snip//
That was totally their call, that was totally their responsibility, that was totally their lead," Johnson said at a news conference about how investigators first handled the case. "I cannot dictate to the Texas Rangers the process, the investigation, what they do and what they don't do."
She added that she had a "spirited conversation" with the Texas Rangers for two hours on Sunday about the manslaughter charge.
More..
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/prosecutor-suggests-stronger-charge-against-dallas-officer-who-killed-neighbor-n908156
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)You can't be charged twice for the same crime.
Cha
(297,280 posts)It does look like a cover up between Guyger and the Officials..
Botham Jean's door was unlocked, lights were off when Officer Amber Guyger mistook his apartment for hers, official says
snip//
The Dallas police officer who killed 26-year-old Botham Jean in his own apartment got inside because the door wasnt locked, a law enforcement official said Sunday.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-police/2018/09/09/botham-jeans-door-unlocked-amber-guyger-mistook-apartment-official-says
So.. the police are going with a different story than the witnesses. Killed because she "came off a 15 hour shift" and "he left his door unlocked and she didn't notice the RED DOORMAT."
Family disputes official account of the moments before Amber Guyger shot Botham Jean
snip//
More..
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/dallas-police/2018/09/10/affidavit-amber-guyger-says-saw-silhouette-heading-dark-apartment-shot-silhouette-after-commands-ignored
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It reads like a defense not a charge.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)The murder charge, but unless some other information comes out, the manslaughter charge seems the most appropriate. Overcharging will lead to aquital.
Cha
(297,280 posts)informed me of that.
It's such a heartbreaking random act of gun violence by cop.. they all are, of course.
Link to tweet
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)Either its that or something much, much darker.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)Link: https://www.southsideflatsapts.com/
I'll bet there are security cameras everywhere.
Cha
(297,280 posts)betsuni
(25,537 posts)either someone was staying in her apartment and she expected them to open the door or she wanted the burglar she thought was inside who had changed the locks to open the door. Jean opens the door. If it was unlocked and she looked inside and saw a silhouette (to see a silhouette there must be some light, either a window or a light on in a bedroom), the reaction was the same and that's why she shot him. SURPRISE BIG DARK MAN DANGER DANGER DANGER GUN DRUGS WEAPONS BIG DARK MAN BANG BANG.
This is my theory.
Apparently he was in his underwear, which I had assumed. Like that famous guy whose neighbor called the cops on him thinking he broke into his own house and he opened the door in his underwear to cops with guns drawn and they didn't put the guns down until one of the cops recognized him. What do I know, maybe most burglars strip down to their underwear when they are robbing. Don't want to get their clothes sweaty.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)"It was, like, police talk: 'Open up! Open up!'" Caitlin Simpson, 20, told The Dallas Morning News.
Yazmine Hernandez, 20, was studying with Simpson when they heard the commotion.
"We heard cops yelling, but otherwise had no idea what was going on," Hernandez said.
More: https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/business/article217980900.html
If she thought it was her apartment and the door was ajar - as she now claims - why did she yell "Open up! Open up!"?
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Unless there are things we dont know.
Looking at the Texas law it appears that a conviction of murder requires prior intent, that she went there with intent to harm someone.
Manslaughter is the appropriate charge under Texas law. She was reckless in her conduct and as a result caused the death of another, but did not go there to intentionally cause harm.
If they try for murder there is a strong chance it will be too much and they wont get a jury to convict, as it will require convincing them that her intent was to harm another. If they try for manslaughter than they have a near certain conviction.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... she got the whole night wrong?
thx in advance
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)Its possible. But its also possible the DA will not want to take any deal because of how high profile this is.
I will say due to public pressure and how high profile it is she would not get as good a deal as if it were Joe Public who had the same thing happen. In that case a DA would take a plea as a win and move on. More eyes on what is done here.