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Wasn't McEnroe called out all the time? Connors? The trick with both of them is that they knew the third strike cost you the game and got their shots in early. Bad boy reps are fine, but keep your game in.

Serena just didn't know when to quit. Bad call or not, you only got one or two chances to blow up and then it's all over.

Are the judges tougher on the women? I really don't know-- if they are, may be the real question is why not tougher on the men?

I suspect the truth is everyone is more comfortable watching the men blow a gasket, but who really knows...

Ample contrast has been presented regarding Ramos, specifically. Williams received unfair treatment by the standard this "ref" has used in the past.

that a key measure here would be the umpire's record. Has he penalized players before in similar circumstances. If the answer is no, then it does seem to lend credence to prejudice.

wise.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/171029/FOR-THE-RECORD-MCENROES-TANTRUMS-AND-FINES.html

The record of John McEnroe's altercations with tennis authorities since he broke into the international circuit in 1977.

June 1977 - Screamed obscenities at French Open line judge while winning mixed doubles final with Mary Carillo, but was not fined.July 1980 - Earned first major warning at Wimbledon for behavior during semifinal against Jimmy Connors.

July 1981 - Fined a total of $6,000 at Wimbledon when he called chair umpire "pits of the world" and told him, "You cannot be serious!" Referee Fred Hoyles said he had come within two tantrums of disqualification during early match against Tom Gulliksen. Defeated Bjorn Borg in a four-set final, but boycotted champions dinner, resulting in another fine. Recommended additional fine of $10,000 overturned on appeal.

May 1983 - Fined $1,000 for calling Czech opponent Tomas Smid a "communist bastard" at Forest Hills event.

June 1983 - Fined $3,500 for clashing with photographer at courtside during French Open.

July 1983 - Fined $325 for swearing at spectator during Wimbledon. Fines during the year totalled $7,500.

May 1984 - Fined $7,500 for misconduct during Stockholm Open.

June 1984 - Accrued fines totalling $3,500 for swearing at linesman and other verbal abuse during match against Connors at French Open.

January 1985 - Dropped from U.S. Davis Cup team after "outrageous behavior" during 1984 final defeat by Sweden.

June 1985 - Loses honorary membership of London's Queen's Club for abusing chairman's wife while practicing. McEnroe later was reinstated.

December 1985 - Fined $3,500 for three separate offenses at Australian Open, culminating with verbal abuse of opponent Slobodan Zivojinovic.

January 1986 - Beaten by Brad Gilbert at Masters finals in New York and fined $1,000 for arguing with spectators.

September 1986 - Received fines totalling $3,500 at U.S. Open after he and partner Peter Fleming were disqualified for arriving late for men's doubles match. Fine broke down to $750 for being late and $2,750 for saying what he thought about the disqualification.

April 1987 - Fined $2,000 for time-wasting during match at WCT event in Dallas.

May 1987 - Fined $4,000 for walking off court during World Cup in Dusseldorf.

September 1987 - Suspended two months and fined $10,000 for various offenses at U.S. Open.

July 1988 - Warned for racket abuse during defeat against Australian Wally Masur at Wimbledon.

July 1989 - Australian John Fitzgerald, a fourth-round loser to McEnroe, accuses him of using tantrums to put off opponents.

January 1990 - Thrown out of Australian Open and fined $6,500 after receiving third warning for misbehavior against Mikael Pernfors.

April 1991 - McEnroe admits own behavior on court "sickens me" after receiving a code violation and point penalty during defeat by fellow American Todd Witsken in Hong Kong.

July 1991 - Fined $10,000 for swearing at linesman in Wimbledon loss against Stefan Edberg, picked up by television microphone.

Total fines - $69,500.


How do we equate Serena's ONE blow up to all that? And Serena has spent 4 or 5 more years on the tour than McEnroe did.

going off the rails.

He was as much a showman as a tennis player.

This is from the 2009 U.S. Open. Serena lost a point and the match due to a similar incident after being called for a foot fault. Start at 14 minutes.

"I'm going to ram this f---ing ball down your f---ing throat?

I like Serena, I admire what she has done, and continues to do, but she can go on a tantrum and get very nasty.

If she were juicing we’d know.

enjoy your stay

I wish that was an offense in every profession!

So sick of the RAMPANT racism and misogyny.

OP for many. Other's not so much as I have read. Thank you

I feel Williams was badly mistreated by an insecure umpire.

With so many other incredibly important stories that need to be covered do we really need to spend so much time and effort to hash and rehash this?

Rome is burning and the media is fiddling...

I have been really disheartened by all the Serena-bashing here at DU. I wish people would realize that it is never a bad time to challenge the patriarchy!

While male players are almost always called by their last names ("McEnroe," for example), women, in almost all walks of life are referred to by their first names, as if they were little girls undeserving of respect. "Serena" "Hillary" "Omarosa"

Just a pet peeve of mine.

LeBron is Lebron. Not Mr. James.

Stephan Curry is referred to as Steph.

Kobe Bryant was Kobe.

O'Neal was Shaq internationally.

Jordan was Michael to the whole freakin' world.

Even in tennis, Nadal is referred to as Rafa, all the time.

Martina was Martina, not Ms. Navratalova. She referred to herself that way early in her career, knowing her last name was a mouthful. And if Serena were "Williams" it could confuse people since her own sister has been there the same period of their careers.

so as to make no confusion with Bill.

As I mentioned before, it's just a pet peeve of mine.

it’s mostly about distinguishing her from Venus.

But in a more general sense, you’re entirely correct.

But this should not be any excuse for Serena's behaviour. I am a fan of Serena, but her actions last Saturday cannot be condoned, she acted in a way that cannot be accepted and the punishment fit the crime in this case.

Is there an argument for the fact that men are being treated better, that men are getting away with more? I will not dispute that, but what the Tennis organization needs to do is to make sure the rules are enforced equally and the punishment given when the actions merit it to both men and women, but please stop excusing Serena, she should have never acted that way, it was unfair to her young opponent and unsportsmanlike.

Should Djokovic, Nadal and the rest been punished? Of course they should have, but so should have and did Serena, now enforce the rules equally to make sure good behaviour prevails in Tennis. Tennis is supposed to be a spot of Gentlemen and women, the days of misbehaving of John McEnroe and Jimmy Connors cannot comeback.

“Chair umpire Carlos Ramos managed to rob not one but two players in the women’s U.S. Open final. Nobody has ever seen anything like it: An umpire so wrecked a big occasion that both players, Naomi Osaka and Serena Williams alike, wound up distraught with tears streaming down their faces during the trophy presentation and an incensed crowd screamed boos at the court. Ramos took what began as a minor infraction and turned it into one of the nastiest and most emotional controversies in the history of tennis, all because he couldn’t take a woman speaking sharply to him.

Williams abused her racket, but Ramos did something far uglier: He abused his authority. Champions get heated — it’s their nature to burn. All good umpires in every sport understand that the heart of their job is to help temper the moment, to turn the dial down, not up, and to be quiet stewards of the event rather than to let their own temper play a role in determining the outcome. Instead, Ramos made himself the chief player in the women’s final. He marred Osaka’s first Grand Slam title and one of Williams’s last bids for all-time greatness. Over what? A tone of voice. Male players have sworn and cursed at the top of their lungs, hurled and blasted their equipment into shards, and never been penalized as Williams was in the second set of the U.S. Open final.”…cont…

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/tennis/at-us-open-power-of-serena-williams-and-naomi-osaka-is-overshadowed-by-an-umpires-power-play/2018/09/08/edbf46c8-b3b4-11e8-a20b-5f4f84429666_story.html?utm_term=.dc1ff9c25103

Why the emphasis on this being a male/female thing? Maybe the umpire was racist. Maybe the umpire was being pressured to call the coaches coaching on the sideline more tightly. I don’t know the impetus for the original call, but if this should not have been called, it should be investigated.

But her getting further penalties? I watched it and was not surprised at the escalation. Serena could not let it go. Between points and games she kept going back up the umpire and ranting. It was clear that she interpreted the initial call as questioning her honor, but it was like watching a soccer game a knowing a red card was coming, or a basketball game a knowing a T was about to be called. She was out of control, and I say that as someone who has watched a lot of sports, and would say it regardless of her gender, race, etc.

Her own coach admitted it. Serena acts badly when she loses. She’s done this before, and worse.

I wonder how many of those excusing her behavior would tolerate their own kids acting that way by destroying their racquet and berating a referee because they were losing a match

Regarding the officiating; in my opinion, as long as he is treating both players the same it really doesn't matter. I am confused about the coaching issue; if she couldn't see him, why was he doing it then? Doesn't make any sense