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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust called my Senator, Susan Collins, and told her staffer
a) that the fundraising is not a bribe, it's just another way for people to communicate how strongly they oppose Kavanaugh, and b) that he is an unsuitable candidate due to possible perjury, his refusal to say that Rowe v Wade is correctly settled law, and that he was weaselly when asked about other cases that should have had a clear answer.
The staffer was in a rush to get me off the phone, but before she could do so I asked if she had had many calls up there in the Bangor office, and she emphatically said yes before politely saying goodbye and disconnecting.
Keep calling, everyone!
Donkees
(31,409 posts)BSdetect
(8,998 posts)Donkees
(31,409 posts)Little Star
(17,055 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,348 posts)Good idea. See if she can hide from her constituents.
Motivated voters can overwhelm donors.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)Donkees
(31,409 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,348 posts)Will you post a follow-up when these are delivered? Maybe even an OP.
Donkees
(31,409 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,348 posts)Appreciate the update.
Hope they have to make another emergency run for resupply!
Hekate
(90,704 posts)...all the calls on big yellow pads. There were many columns for the purpose, and as they talked to the callers they carefully ticked off the topic and probably the emotional state of the constituent. This was Barbara Boxer's office. I am sorry Senator Collins's staff is not better-instructed.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)If she instructs her interns not to keep records of constituent calls she can always plead ignorant when she votes to confirm Kavanaugh.
It's a fucking game to Republicans. Keep power at all costs, and to hell with your constituents or the Constitution (remember "advise and consent"?) or just plain morality.
It's going to bite them in the ass one day. Karma is a bitch.
BigmanPigman
(51,599 posts)for my Dam rep. She told me that what she saw and experienced at her office was the same on the reps offices too. They all answer the phones, if you want follow up you can give them your contact info, and they DO write down all the comments and they DO relay them to the staffers who organize them to better address specific concerns, etc.
appalachiablue
(41,138 posts)LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)The reality is that you're just wasting your time. If you think that a repub, or someone who pretends to be a moderate repub, is going to listen, you're sorely mistaken. They have their marching orders, and are not going to deviate from them. Do you have a few Million $ in campaign donations to throw their way? Then perhaps they'll act like they care, but in reality, they're not going to betray "the family." Think Charles Manson or Jim Jones.
I'm sure these staffers get a chuckle out of each time they get a critical call, merely waiting for the point when they can hang up, and move to more pressing business. Like making lunch reservations for their boss.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,348 posts)If we're all wasting our time, why hang around DU telling us so?
LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)I'm just a realist. Collins is a gutless repub. All the calls and pleas from Democrats on DU imploring her to change her vote, is not going to make a difference.
The only thing we can do now is VOTE, VOTE, VOTE, and hope enough of the results are not predetermined and fixed, like they were in 2016 and 2004.
I'm also expecting at least a couple of Democrats to vote him in. Perhaps your phone calls should be directed at them, instead of criticizing my pessimism. Better chance of changing their vote than someone like Collins, who is a fake moderate, pretending Rowe V Wade means something.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)The call in campaign in support of the ACA did produce results. If you are not on the battlefield, you can't win the war. If you won't fight, you are part of the problem IMHO. Taking down those who are fighting can be construed as "treason". Just saying.
LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)Again, I'm just realistic. If people want to make calls, go ahead. Just seems like a waste of time to me.
This is Not the ACA. And if not for John McCain's courage, guess what? That would have been a lost cause too.
Show me any indication there is the slightest possibility Collins or Murkowski are on the fence, and I would change my opinion.
Let me state for the record, if I thought that every single person on DU calling would have the slightest chance of success, I would be all for it. We're not dealing with reasonable people, and IMO, acting otherwise is being naive.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And they say whatever the RW rag wants to hear to get conservatives off their back. No one wants to promise anything a week out.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Encouragement is what DU is know for. No one who is doing something positive about what we are dealing with should have to endure negative, demoralizing posts. We get enough of that from the tRump administration. Thank you in advance for recognizing people who are trying to do positive activities to effect change that is sorely needed.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)pennylane100
(3,425 posts)I really hope that this effort changes Collins mind but the bottom line is that she has played this game for years. She pretends to state her position as being somewhat opposed to anti choice laws, then accepts big concessions from the repugs and votes on party lines.
I wonder if there are bookmakers anywhere taking odds on this.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)I'm getting tired and as I have said before running a does not help win any wars. What is the positive part of posting things that demoralize those who are out there actively fighting for a better outcome? DU has always been a place where people get support. Some of the posts have not supported those of us who are out there taking the fight to the front lines. In fact those posts do the exact opposite and create an energy drain on enthusiasm for those on the front line.
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)However, everyone is entitled to an opinion as to how and when our goals can be achieved. Derogatory terms like "negative crap" do little to promote a honest debate but merely informs our opponents of how aptly we can form circular firing squads to avoid any chance of winning.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)I only know how it makes me feel when someone disses what I have done to work for the rights of people.
pennylane100
(3,425 posts)You surely do not believe that you alone work for the rights of people. I like to think that what I do makes a difference but I also know that others would maybe follow a different path to get to the same place.
crim son
(27,464 posts)then perhaps don't insult people who aren't living up to your expectations. There are a number of ways to make your point and your approach here is decidedly negative.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Now go make a difference. Do something to solve the problems, don't just post.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)a facile, protective cynicism and posture of permanent surrender. For most they're covering for apathy and ignorance as well, of course. No one at DU at least has quite that degree of apathy.
For just a little indication, maybe look right up this thread at the OP? If you were to go read a bit more, you'd find that our party's representatives and political activists are making full-out efforts to convince both Collins and Murkowski that they can't hide behind plausible deniability, that a vote for Kavanaugh will destroy their careers. And blow-back against those two by voters is increasing.
Our party isn't just putting on a show. The goal is to keep this terrible person off the Supreme Court. Right now they're doing their best to delay the vote in order to gain time for voter awareness and resistance to build.
And they're not alone. Here's another indication you missed. And with Kavanaugh's dirty background, btw, even confirmation wouldn't mean this was over.
...As Judge Brett Kavanaugh faces Senate confirmation to the Supreme Court, organized labor is unveiling a playbook that may look familiar to Washington Republicans.
We intend to make it the same thing as repealing Obamacare, Mary Kay Henry, president of the Service Employees International Union, told POLITICO in the latest Women Rule podcast. We are going to organize the three votes that are required to block this nomination.
In the labor-themed episode of the podcast, Henry referred to the narrow defeat of Senate Republicans efforts to roll back the Affordable Care Act last year, when Sens. Susan Collins of Maine, John McCain of Arizona, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska voted with Democrats to stymie the repeal bill.
Another labor leader, Liz Shuler, secretary-treasurer of the AFL-CIO, echoed Henrys protest against Kavanaugh during the podcast: We cannot let this court continue to swing to the extreme right. Its out of step with what America believes.
... In addition to staffing phone banks, unions are mobilizing to target vulnerable Republican senators in their home states, according to Henry. Weve added organizers collectively, she said, with our partners in Alaska, Nevada and Maine.
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/12/unions-kavanaugh-supreme-court-815486
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)if we do lose again this year, it doesn't mean the battle's over. We'll have to suffer and fight far longer, years longer. Easy surrender is not the easier path.
Haven't seen this for a while, but it comes to mind more often in the past couple of years than in the previous 40.
Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
BigmanPigman
(51,599 posts)Thank you. The Dem Party sure does seem to have a lot of Party Poopers these days. I am fighting and putting a lot of work and time and energy into helping my country and trying to save it from disasters for the next 30 years if he becomes SCOTUS. I don't have kids and am dying in a few years so it will effect my ACA but long term issues and futures issues won't effect me. I do this since I am a patriot and this is war with the GOP. This is MY fight and if Party Poopers don't want to do it, than fine. Just don't dump on my efforts...is that asking too much? I am not laying a guilt trip on those who done fight beside me but why say something negative at all? That is my point. If you can't say something nice, than stay quiet.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)and the information you share with the rest of us. I especially thank you for your wonderful cheerleading abilities. I always come away from your posts with renewed energy to continue the fight. Been doing activism for a long time, and I myself have been diagnosed with a fatal autoimmune disease. I'm thankfully in remission at this time, but my time on earth is limited by my diagnosis and not just my age. Fight on Sister!
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)sharedvalues
(6,916 posts)Fight like hell! Act like a patriot. Call her office. Do other things too. Act like you fing care. Get your despair out of here.
mahina
(17,662 posts)Message, but I believe I have told you that elsewhere on DU already. I dont see what purpose spreading hopelessness serves when were in a fight for the future.
BigmanPigman
(51,599 posts)I called Collins yesterday too at the Bangor office (207) 945-0417 and was able to speak with a staffer who let me go through my whole short speech of why I (and all my fellow teachers and family and friends who I represent) think she shouldn't allow Kavanaugh to even be a consideration for SCOTUS. The staffer was pleasant to me and so was the one who I spoke with at Sasse's local office. I am calling more today. Too many DUers are defeatists and I am not going to let them influence my desire to fight for my country. We are at war...war with the GOP crooks and liars who do not represent the majority of the country on most issues. DO NOT GIVE UP PEOPLE! This IS our battle and I will not wave the white flag!
Call NOW and OFTEN! RESISTANCE WORKS!
Has everyone you know called the Senate? What are you waiting for...this is it folks!
CALL (202)224-3121
Here is a list of contact info for the GOP senators and Dem senators who may be "iffy".
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1011&pid=2543
FSogol
(45,487 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,203 posts).
Almost every one is negative.
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Tardislass
(86 posts)She's indicated she's going to vote for Kavanaugh and that's what she'll do. I hope the citizens of Maine remember this in 2 years and tie her to Trump. She's a Trump gal through and through.
LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)Show her phony "moderate," fake pro-choice beliefs to the curb.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And you and others have bought it and given up.
Exactly what they want of you.
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)Thank you from another lifelong activist.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Otherwise youre no one to listen to. Women and POC sure are not giving up- this poster should be helping us out!
pazzyanne
(6,556 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,599 posts)Thunderbeast
(3,411 posts)I thought money was speech!
GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)mahina
(17,662 posts)question everything
(47,483 posts)Just, put a mark. I think that this is they way they used to..
mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)he's a lost cause, but actually spoke to a live ive person.. only the second time in two years and I'm a regular caller. After I gave her my name, town, zip code, I said the senator should listen to his constituents and vote no on Kavanaugh but that's hopeless.
Senator Bennet is a solid no, thank goodness. He's a conservative Democrat, but sees Kavanaugh as far too radical. Bennet said good things about Gorsuch, but voted no because he wasn't forthcoming in the confirmation hearings.. Good for you, Michael. He won't vote for political expediency like Manchin and Hietkamp probably will, and, if they do, I will consider them Republicans, and that would be the nicest thing I could say.
LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)While it pisses me off that ANY Democrat would vote in favor of his appointment, it doesn't really matter. It's a numbers game, and unless there are 2 defectors on the repub side, close is the best we could hope for. Losing by 2 votes, 4 votes or 20 votes is still losing. Sure, 51-49 looks better than 53-47, but in the end, he's still on the court for the next 40 years. Even if it's 50-50.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)and realize its a really shitty thing to do. Its also what some trolls are hired to do- so for fucks sake- why are you doing it for free?
What is this hopes and dreams you named yourself after- is that supposed to be sarcastic or something?
We have nine days- no Republican will admit theyre wavering right now. Theres work to do! Stop throwing rocks from the side line and try being an ally.
dbackjon
(6,578 posts)mountain grammy
(26,622 posts)So pretty wile he lies and lies.
Greywing
(1,124 posts)I hope every one of us has learned there are consequences and will continue to enthusiastically encourage people to vote. Every election matters!
AllaN01Bear
(18,242 posts)LandOfHopeAndDreams
(872 posts)Make sure each and every Democrat in Maine votes for the Democratic candidate. Then attack her fake moderate facade.
bdamomma
(63,859 posts)this $$$$$$ in donations, she won't change her vote. This POS Kavanaugh has perjured himself many times, he's a plant for tRump/the mad king. Collins is going along to get along.
Someone will go up against her. Or Collins will see women resorting to back alley abortions again. She can go to hell too.
ProfessorGAC
(65,054 posts)Unfortunately, she's only listening to those with big money or that already agree with everything she thinks.
Duppers
(28,123 posts)Save our democracy.
tblue37
(65,377 posts)even as they kept promising to pass the message on to Collins.
That's how she can claim she isn't hearing from constituents about Kavanaugh.
Solly Mack
(90,769 posts)Was told she did. Then asked if she supported ALL of the troops. Was told, "of course".
Then I said if that was true she would vote "No" on Kavanaugh. Otherwise, she didn't support the women troops.
Got no response.