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MelissaB

(16,420 posts)
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:09 PM Sep 2018

🔥Boom 9th Circuit Court of Appeals 🚨Koch REQUIRED to Reveal Donors🚨

🔥Boom 9th Circuit Court of Appeals 🚨Koch REQUIRED to Reveal Donors🚨 “The mere possibility that some contributors may choose to withhold their support does not establish a substantial burden on First Amendment rights,” Judge Fisher




Eric Garland says this is a BFD because... "This is now GUIDING PRECEDENT that all those SuperPACs, PACs, fake charities, and other money laundering, democracy-destroying money sewers HAVE TO SAY EXACTLY WHO GAVE THEM MONEY. And the "free speech" argument? DOA. 😈"

Dear Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan, get ready!



Yup! And maybe SCOTUS might overturn, but for now, it’s the law of the land. So COUGH UP THE NAMES! Better hope that they don’t involve offshore LLCs! And those LLCs better not commingle with the profits of organized crime, or you’re going down for RICO, bitches! 🤣🖕


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🔥Boom 9th Circuit Court of Appeals 🚨Koch REQUIRED to Reveal Donors🚨 (Original Post) MelissaB Sep 2018 OP
That should be interesting. nt procon Sep 2018 #1
They'll stall under they have awesomerwb1 Sep 2018 #2
"maybe SCOTUS might overturn,..." dchill Sep 2018 #3
Expect an immediate appeal to SCOTUS and a temporary stay...the very logical and obvious Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #13
If there are any Russia connections we 'll get to see them eleny Sep 2018 #4
Oh, there will be russian money, may not be obvious elmac Sep 2018 #5
Yep. volstork Sep 2018 #7
Good news! orangecrush Sep 2018 #6
Unless the Dems in Congress can stop the Kavanaugh appointment to SCOTUS, red dog 1 Sep 2018 #8
The problem is the Extreme Court sandensea Sep 2018 #9
Yes, the whole Koch/Putin et al global fascist house of cards hinges on 1 SCOTUS judge stuffmatters Sep 2018 #15
Thanks to former A.G. now SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS for bringing that suit in 2015, pnwmom Sep 2018 #10
Yes, thanks to them, and to you for pointing that out. Hortensis Sep 2018 #11
Proud of my elected officials in CA! BigmanPigman Sep 2018 #12
I will have to review the decision, but how did they reconcile with wrongly decidedCitizen's United? Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #14
Reviewed some of the decision....not as expansive as it appears and limited to California... Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #16
That's true. Do you see anything in there that says CA must keep the info confidential? pnwmom Sep 2018 #22
The California law mirrors the federal law regarding registered charities, like the Koch Bros. Fred Sanders Sep 2018 #23
What would keep the Kochs and others from just giving bullshit info? rurallib Sep 2018 #17
It would be against the law... reACTIONary Sep 2018 #19
RICO statutes are automatic then! SergeStorms Sep 2018 #18
This is awesome! kyburbonkid Sep 2018 #20
is it possible for the Left to understand the importance of SCOTUS pickS during general election? SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2018 #21
I hope it's retro-active to about 2 years ago FakeNoose Sep 2018 #24

dchill

(38,497 posts)
3. "maybe SCOTUS might overturn,..."
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:23 PM
Sep 2018

Which is why ALL Repubs HAVE to get Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court! They don't care if he's a perjurer. So are they.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
13. Expect an immediate appeal to SCOTUS and a temporary stay...the very logical and obvious
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:49 PM
Sep 2018

statement by the 9th Circuit that having a few less bucks to distort democracy with because names will be named is fucking NOT an infringement of 1A will be rejected by the fascist majority on the "high" court just as it was in citizen's United.

If hate speech is protected...how the fuck are a few wealthy donors names???

eleny

(46,166 posts)
4. If there are any Russia connections we 'll get to see them
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:26 PM
Sep 2018

At least ferret them out like ones from Russian born American citizens who have close connections to Putin.

Rec'd.

red dog 1

(27,804 posts)
8. Unless the Dems in Congress can stop the Kavanaugh appointment to SCOTUS,
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:21 PM
Sep 2018

this ruling will be thrown out for sure.

This involves the Kochs and the Mercers and the other evil Trump-loving billionaires, and this type of ruling "just won't do" for the Trump Crime family.

K&R, thanks for posting

sandensea

(21,635 posts)
9. The problem is the Extreme Court
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:23 PM
Sep 2018

Not for nothing are these Kochcukers so anxious to get Kuntanaugh confirmed.

stuffmatters

(2,574 posts)
15. Yes, the whole Koch/Putin et al global fascist house of cards hinges on 1 SCOTUS judge
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:02 PM
Sep 2018

It makes even clearer now why McConnell & Repugs' UNITED front fought like their life was depending on keeping the seat for Gorsuch
and now pushing Krackpot,Kriminal Kavanaugh through so fast. Their own donor histories, indeed the Repug's entire dark money infrastructure they knew would be exposed if this pending case/decision were not voted down @SCOTUS.

BTW don't think Stephens would have been the "swing vote" and the case/circuit court decision would not have been reversed at SCOTUS. As Charles Pierce so often reminds us of Stephens willfully, historically naive opinion in CITIZENS UNITED that anonymity protection for donors will not lead to corruption/impropriety. To Stephens keeding donor ids secret no biggie, no threat to a functioning sovereign, democracy.

pnwmom

(108,978 posts)
10. Thanks to former A.G. now SENATOR KAMALA HARRIS for bringing that suit in 2015,
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:38 PM
Sep 2018

and thanks to AG Xavier Bacerra for following through!

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
14. I will have to review the decision, but how did they reconcile with wrongly decidedCitizen's United?
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:50 PM
Sep 2018

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
16. Reviewed some of the decision....not as expansive as it appears and limited to California...
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:04 PM
Sep 2018

"They (plaintiffs) challenge the Attorney General of California’s collection of Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Form 990 Schedule B, which contains the names and addresses of their relatively few largest contributors. The Attorney General uses the information solely to prevent charitable fraud, and the information is not to be made public except in very limited circumstances. The plaintiffs argue the state’s disclosure requirement impermissibly burdens their First Amendment right to free association by deterring individuals from making contributions."

So the information collected as to names and addresses, is identical to information the IRS collects to prevent charity fraud, is not made public. Still they will be policed and authorities at least will know if other election laws, offshore money, was contributed, or suspected.

Judgment here:

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2018/09/11/16-55727.pdf

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
23. The California law mirrors the federal law regarding registered charities, like the Koch Bros.
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:35 AM
Sep 2018

many entities disguised as charities but obviously for election purposes only.

The Feds do this to monitor the charities for potential fraud...it is their right and duty. The fed tax folks are NOT to disclose names or address to the public, except under limited circumstances, such as for prosecution.

The California law is the same on public disclosure...limited...to what extent, I have got into the weeds only so far.

The thing is that disclosure will allow authorities to have intel on who...and red flags can be investigated.

As an aside, the Koch tried to use 1960's laws that outed NAACP member lists, members then killed or intimidated, to argue this is...the same...unbelievable stuff to try to present to appeal court judges...who laughed them out...politely.

rurallib

(62,416 posts)
17. What would keep the Kochs and others from just giving bullshit info?
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:08 PM
Sep 2018

leaving off names that might be trouble couldn't be too hard.
I know I am missing something here.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
19. It would be against the law...
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:50 PM
Sep 2018

... and if they were audited and the numbers didn't add up, they would both be in legal jepordy and loose credibility.

SergeStorms

(19,201 posts)
18. RICO statutes are automatic then!
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:37 PM
Sep 2018

The entire GOP is organized crime, so there you have it. RICO them, baby!

kyburbonkid

(251 posts)
20. This is awesome!
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:04 PM
Sep 2018

I can't wait to see old pumpkin face McConnell squirm disclosing his Super PAC donors. Russia, NRA and a few others flake-O's would do.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,122 posts)
21. is it possible for the Left to understand the importance of SCOTUS pickS during general election?
Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:07 PM
Sep 2018

The Right is totally informed on its importance when electing POTUS - to the point nothing else matters for anti-womens rights voters. The Left seems to be preoccupied with other issues.

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